Jacob Murphy

[mofo]

He's not good enough for where we need to be but his form isn't as bad as some of our other players.

[La Parka]

He is better against bigger teams or high lines. Same as several other players. He's not the one to break down a defence with a pass. He needs to be chasing long balls into space and having no time to think before belting it in. 

[Lush Vlad]

1 minute ago, mofo said:

He's not good enough for where we need to be but his form isn't as bad as some of our other players.

The bit about form is the problem with the squad, though. 
 

Sort of similar to what @Heron was saying the other day regarding player ratings. Murphy in form and playing to the best of his abilities. Is still not as good as say, Gordon out of form. 
 

All teams are to a point. But we are heavily reliant on a few top players always being on their game for us to perform well. Especially in an attacking sense. They have an off day or just a bit below their usual levels and we struggle. 
 

We just have too many squad/back up type players still getting regular minutes due to the lack of depth at certain positions. 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Think my issue with Murphy is the message it sends to our purples, someone else pointed out its 3 years of him starting games under PIF, as a standard setter its not great optics for the lads who could win things in other teams, thats the worry for me, plenty have mentioned, Howe included, what a great character he is, aye spot on but that wont help move us to the level we all hope for.

 

[Kid Icarus]

Easy to scapegoat when we lose and Almiron and Longstaff aren't there to blame. The truth is that our star boys are more deserving of flack for their shocking finishing than anyone, but won't be.

[Menace]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

Easy to scapegoat when we lose and Almiron and Longstaff aren't there to blame. The truth is that our star boys are more deserving of flack for their shocking finishing than anyone, but won't be.

 

You're right. I even think Bruno has been pretty poor this season personally but he seems to go unscathed every week.

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, Menace said:

 

You're right. I even think Bruno has been pretty poor this season personally but he seems to go unscathed every week.

 

Easy to say, but Isak and especially Gordon have their shooting boots on in the last 2 matches and we're all loving life and have very few issues with how we're playing imo. If you draw or lose it's natural to start looking deeper than poor finishing, but at the moment that's all I see it as.

 

Agree about Bruno but I thought he was good against Everton and better again yesterday, especially first half.

[BeloEmre]

It just had to be him blocking that Isak shot in the first half 

[Pilko]

We lost 0-1 to Brighton under Rafa six years ago today and Murphy wasn't even summoned off the bench, I find that a bit mind-blowing like. Twelve transfer windows, two managers and a highly progressive takeover later and he's now starting for us in the same fixture.

[BergenMagpie]

7 minutes ago, BeloEmre said:

It just had to be him blocking that Isak shot in the first half 

Longstaff or Joelinton would’ve been more of a meme

[Holloway]

2 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

Murphy in form and playing to the best of his abilities. Is still not as good as say, Gordon out of form

None of us want Murphy starting but this is way over the top. An out of form Gordon is largely ineffective and has looked disinterested as a result. Murphy at his best is lively and productive. The frustration is the glaring lack of consistency in his game

[Lush Vlad]

55 minutes ago, Holloway said:

None of us want Murphy starting but this is way over the top. An out of form Gordon is largely ineffective and has looked disinterested as a result. Murphy at his best is lively and productive. The frustration is the glaring lack of consistency in his game

Maybe a bad example. As Murphy does actually contribute with goals and assists when on song. 
 

I suppose my point is. We have a lot of players who have played above their level for a while and are now just back to their base level and not really contributing much.
 

So then on top of that. When our actual elite or close to world class level players are below par. The whole team suffers as a result. Again, the attacking areas in particular. We aren’t exactly creative at the best of times. So if any or all of Isak, Gordon and Bruno are off it. Then forget about it. Barnes, too. Although he’s usually on the bench….. 

[PauloGeordio]

5 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Maybe a bad example. As Murphy does actually contribute with goals and assists when on song. 
 

I suppose my point is. We have a lot of players who have played above their level for a while and are now just back to their base level and not really contributing much.
 

So then on top of that. When our actual elite or close to world class level players are below par. The whole team suffers as a result. Again, the attacking areas in particular. We aren’t exactly creative at the best of times. So if any or all of Isak, Gordon and Bruno are off it. Then forget about it. Barnes, too. Although he’s usually on the bench….. 

“Jacob has been here since July 2017, that's 7 seasons with 11 Premier League goals and 18 assists for a £12.5m fee and approx £35,000 per week. It's time to upgrade and for him to get a move somewhere he will play more regularly perhaps”

From Magpie 24/7

 

Let’s see what January brings! 

[Lush Vlad]

3 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said:

“Jacob has been here since July 2017, that's 7 seasons with 11 Premier League goals and 18 assists for a £12.5m fee and approx £35,000 per week. It's time to upgrade and for him to get a move somewhere he will play more regularly perhaps”

From Magpie 24/7

 

Let’s see what January brings! 

So he is not on song very often?  he has put in good performances under Howe, though and does actually get involved with creating chances and the odd goal or assist.
 

But he is also woefully ineffective most of the time. The same as the other option we have on the right.

 

No arguments that we need to strengthen RW as a priority. I think everyone bar the club have seen this as our biggest need for years. 

[Holloway]

11 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Maybe a bad example. As Murphy does actually contribute with goals and assists when on song. 
 

I suppose my point is. We have a lot of players who have played above their level for a while and are now just back to their base level and not really contributing much.
 

So then on top of that. When our actual elite or close to world class level players are below par. The whole team suffers as a result. Again, the attacking areas in particular. We aren’t exactly creative at the best of times. So if any or all of Isak, Gordon and Bruno are off it. Then forget about it. Barnes, too. Although he’s usually on the bench….. 

Aye, the gap in quality is very much evident. I hope we get the chance to close it 

[TRon]

Apart from his general lack of end product, which is probably reflected in his stats, I don't think he combines particularly well with the RB either. Miggy has awful end product, and he is equally frustrating, but I think it's easier for the RB to overlap him as Miggy does have far better close control and is good with the short passing.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Miggy should play if we’re not prepared to move Gordon over. Murphy had his moments but also messes up so many good situations. 

[80]

51 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Miggy should play if we’re not prepared to move Gordon over. Murphy had his moments but also messes up so many good situations. 

I think Murphy needs to be psychologically refreshed on a regular basis, also. I don't think he deals well with being the main man.

[Ellis H]

Don’t really know what this proves (if anything) but just worked out that in the league, in terms of minutes, Almiron has played the equivalent of 137.3 games for us and has 34 attacking returns. Murphy has played the equivalent of 82.1 games for us and has 33 attacking returns, with 2 assists in 5.2 games this season. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Murphy contributes just as much in terms of those numbers, but he also has plenty of moments where an attack breaks down because of him. 
 

Neither are great options but I’d say it’s at least worth some rotation. Miggy is limited but he’s not a disgraceful player or anything. And he arguably combines better with a fullback who can go down the outside. 

 

 

Edited October 22 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Doctor Zaius]

I think the whole right side suffers because we havent/cant replace Trippier from 12 months ago. He was world class and made every play in front of him (including Ryan Fraser ffs) look more than the sum of their parts. 

[nufcjmc]

Just now, Doctor Zaius said:

I think the whole right side suffers because we havent/cant replace Trippier from 12 months ago. He was world class and made every play in front of him (including Ryan Fraser ffs) look more than the sum of their parts. 

Agreed I have said before Tino isn't a younger clone of trips and for this to work we need some of that creating crossing setplay etc to come from the new right winger/right sided forward. This needs to happen sooner rather than later as think no offence to Murphy but Tinos game suffers with his decision making or reluctance to make a decision as shown at the weekend. I also think Miggy is back to miggy due to the lack of understanding Tino has with him as well. Don't blame Tino for this he is a different player and had to be patient to get game time only really having as much last season from what seems like enforced with Trips injury last year. 

[Yorkie]

1 hour ago, Doctor Zaius said:

I think the whole right side suffers because we havent/cant replace Trippier from 12 months ago. He was world class and made every play in front of him (including Ryan Fraser ffs) look more than the sum of their parts. 

 

So true, really good point. Trippier was our out-and-out playmaker, certainly in the first third of last season. Dortmund beat us at SJP almost exclusively because they shut him down. 

[Nine]

Hall was the long term Trippier replacement, I think that’s fairly obvious now. The left side will be our most progressive side going forward, with Livramento being a more defensive full back offering that balance on the right. Signing a new RW will be the key to retaining the danger we offered from the right, but danger in a different way than it was before. Hall is essentially the closest thing we have to Trippier and he will offer the big progressive passing numbers just from the opposite side of the field.

 

 

Edited October 22 by Nine

[AyeDubbleYoo]

That’s why I like Hall so much. 
 

FWIW I don’t see why Tino won’t be very effective for us. As we know the new RW will be a big step forward.