Other clubs' transfers

[SUPERTOON]

 

[54]

20 hours ago, 54 said:

The absolute state of swapping Seville for Nottingham  

Order restored.

[Nucasol]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

Seems very cheap ?

 

 

Wallop. Goldbridge is Twitter AIDS.

[SUPERTOON]

 

[B-more Mag]

 €24MM. Jesus, Red Bull, at least make some minimal effort to make it look like a reasonable arm’s length deal. 

[Jagten]

What the absolute fuck are they doing.

 

 

[Guest HTT II]

2 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

Seriously, is it that Man United don't have any kind of recruitment team or setup?

 

All those years Ferguson was doing well, was he just doing it all himself and there was nothing in place behind the scenes infrastructure wise?

 

What an absolute mess man. Why don't they try and get in some young talents? Crikey.

They had scouts back then, but not quite like today nor the data analysis, other scouting tools etc. It was a case of Fergie looking at a top player (Yorke, Sheringham, Rooney, Veron, Ruud, Stam and so on) and saying get him and they could afford it and he usually didn’t have many flops in terms of his bigger signings, plus they had the class of 92’ as the core of their side for so long and other talent from the academy always coming through, Wes Brown, O’Shea, Welbeck et al.
 

It seems they now have a similar approach, in that they look at a player and think he’s good, let’s buy him, without any thought about how to fit them in or what it means for the team overall, either short-term or long term. Fergie had a knack of knowing a player would fit and if not he’d make them fit. They are a basket case of a club. Their new manager won’t last the season.

 

 

[nufc123]

Whats next up the Glazers sleeve..bringing Pogba back?

[Decky]

Man United are a complete shambles if they're seriously going for him. The fuck is going on? Thats something we'd have done under Ashley in pure desperation.  It really looks like more of the same from them this season if not worse. 

[Guest HTT II]

11 minutes ago, nufc123 said:

Whats next up the Glazers sleeve..bringing Pogba back?

He’ll probably be their manager in a few years time, Pogback at the wheel 

[Kimbo]

I'm sure I heard Neville say over the weekend that they've got about 60 scouts. It's either the easiest gig ever or the most frustrating.

[KaKa]

6 minutes ago, Decky said:

Man United are a complete shambles if they're seriously going for him. The fuck is going on? Thats something we'd have done under Ashley in pure desperation.  It really looks like more of the same from them this season if not worse. 

 

Even MA wouldn't sanction such a move due to his age. I genuinely can't believe it  

[Guest HTT II]

I think Mourinho nailed it best, they have to let the manager recruit his own scouting team and use the club’s own in-house scouting tools in line with that and then let the manager identify the players he wants/needs. He’s doing that now at Roma and Conte is doing it at Spurs. We don’t have the scouting tools quite yet in house, but are working on it, but we have a manager who is in sync with his/our scout/s and now our new DOF, the owners and his own staff and he is getting the type of players we need and in areas that are required. They may not be top names or even top of our list, but it’s not random scattergun signings just for the sake of it that will go wasted or flop and lose us big money.

 

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by HTT II

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

I'm sure I heard Neville say over the weekend that they've got about 60 scouts. It's either the easiest gig ever or the most frustrating.

 

https://youtu.be/OXltf7oUOBI

 

Man Utd scouting team coming back with Arnautovic.

 

 

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by Optimistic Nut

[Guest HTT II]

3 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

I'm sure I heard Neville say over the weekend that they've got about 60 scouts. It's either the easiest gig ever or the most frustrating.

Most will be freelance who will scout for other clubs, but will get maybe more coin if they recommend a player to one particular club over the other if that player gets signed. Not many clubs have a dedicated in house scouting team. I wish Mandoon was around he could maybe clarify. Many clubs will work with agents first or most over scouts for example as well. It’s hard to tell with Man Utd though, their recruitment has been shocking for a club of their size, stature, prestige and the money they can pay in transfer fess and offer in wages.

[STM]

4 minutes ago, HTT II said:

I think Mourinho nailed it best, they have to let the manager recruit his own scouting team and use the club’s own in-house scouting tools in line with that and then let the manager identify the players he wants/needs. He’s doing that now at Roma and Conte is doing it at Spurs. We don’t have the scouting tools quite yet in house, but are working on it, but we have a manager who is in sync with his scout/d and now our new DOF, the owners and his own staff and he is getting the type of players we need and in areas that are required. They may not be top names or even top of our list, but it’s not random scattergun signings just for the sake of it. 

Eddie Howes nephew is one of our scouts IIRC.

 

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by STM

[Guest HTT II]

Just now, STM said:

Eddie Howes brother is one of our scouts IIRC.

Aye that’s true and a manager needs his own team too, as does a club, we are lucky ours seem to all be in sync. 

[STM]

Just now, HTT II said:

Aye that’s true and a manager needs his own team too, as does a club, we are lucky ours seem to all be in sync. 

Nephew it is, not brother. Same point.

[woody]

3 minutes ago, HTT II said:

Most will be freelance who will scout for other clubs, but will get maybe more coin if they recommend a player to one particular club over the other if that player gets signed. Not many clubs have a dedicated in house scouting team. I wish Mandoon was around he could maybe clarify. Many clubs will work with agents first or most over scouts for example as well. It’s hard to tell with Man Utd though, their recruitment has been shocking for a club of their size, stature, prestige and the money they can pay in transfer fess and offer in wages.

Michael Calvin wrote a pretty good book about the scouting industry a few years back called The Nowhere Men. It's more than likely a bit out of date by now, but thought it was an interesting glimpse in to the area.

[Guest HTT II]

I’ve got a bit of experience with scouts at academy level and most of them are fucking clueless, haven’t played the game at all or much or to any decent standard , but clubs use them because they support whoever club is using them and have loads of free time on their hands to watch loads of kids’ football. Most have a set criteria, if a kid is fast, scores lots of goals or is huge, they make a recommendation, if a kid is all 3, bingo. Most of these scouts get kids into academies not for what they know, but for who they know.
 

They may know an academy coach very well, or an ex player, or their wife may cut the hair of the wife or partner of a current player. The whole system in England at certain levels of football is a shambles and it’s easy to see why so many clubs get it wrong with academy players, managerial appointments and signings. Look at us, Pardew, totally unqualified for the job, but is mate’s with Ashley’s mate. Bruce is a Geordie, cheap, a yes man, if you offer him the job he’ll leave whoever he’s employed by at the drop of a hat.

 

It’s about time professional clubs employed professional scouts, and invest in the right tools available. I look at some of the stuff posted on here in the form of stats from random people on Twitter for example who know way more than a lot of managers and certainly some 50 year old former bin man purporting to be a scout, or some ex player who will recommend a manager or a kid or a player because he feels he knows the craic as he used to play professionally.

 

That’s why I’m over the moon wor very own Mandoon seems to have found himself a job as a professional scout, he knows more than Steve fucking 1000 + games Bruce for fuck’s sake. We need more like that and I hope and I’m sure we will in the future have an elite scouting system, elite scouting tools for them and everything else needed behind the scenes.

 

Its a joke really that a club like Man Utd have basically wasted over a billion quid and shown fuck all for it, or Bruce has managed over 1000 games or dross like Andy Carroll flops at LFC having cost 35m and another club goes and pays 18m for him and then he ends up back here on a free, a crock, it’s obscene and it’s us fans whose pockets are emptied the most to finance all of this obscenity.

 

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by HTT II

[Guest HTT II]

As an example, Drew Beardsley is chief scout at NUFC for the under 9s I think, he’s never played footy in his life, not properly anyway, he just stands and watches, no data, no analysis, then has meetings with other scouts and goes, I like that kid, let’s give him a trial. 12 weeks later, he’s not very good, bye. And we all know how he got the job. Thankfully we have some of the best academy coaches at this level and they know what they are doing. But often they are having to try and polish a turd and make do with. That’s what Man Utd are operating at right now 

 

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by HTT II

[Lotus]

7 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

When I google search "Pogba attitude" - it's just the likes of Souness & Barnes complaining and a few saying his attitude is actually good.

 

Search "Rabiot attitude" and there's a long list of actual controversies throughout his career.

I’ve no idea about Pogba’s off-field demeanour. I certainly wouldn’t jump to a conclusion that’ he’s difficult or disruptive. I’ve absolutely no idea so it wouldn’t even cross my mind.

What does spring to mind though was his application when France won the WC. He was everywhere. Defending in his box, breaking up play in MF, closing down the opposition, driving the ball forward. He was absolutely great.

Then I think about his frankly limp performances for Manu, it’s like 2 completely different players. 
No idea why, I’m sure Froggy might say he was absolutely fantastic for them, I thought he was a stunning disappointment.

I won’t speculate as to what were contributing factors to his vacuous performances for his previous club, but at some level a professional sports person has to be accountable for their substandard play.

[toon25]

Really interesting posts HTT

 

[buzza]

As an example to show the difference I can see comparing it to north of spain:

Over here in bilbao they have a very good academy. And the kids teams from 9 years old up to 18 years all have scouts who can tell you the best players in literally every school and club team in the whole region.

Even the so called feeder teams (think wallsend boys - at least many moons ago, couldnt say now 30 years later) have scouts who know just about every player in their respective leagues.

Was really surprised at the level of knowledge and tracking they do on thousands of kids!

Know this as my own lad plays (16yrs).

[Guest HTT II]

Those kids paraded at home against Arsenal I think it was, our under 9s, I know most of them and their parents, we have some of the best youngsters at that age group and coached by for me a top young coach and in an ideal world they will all make it and if not one of them will. If not, they will have had an amazing experience on their journey. I think the club are planning in the long run to start turning volunteers and part time scouts and coaches into full time, fully paid, fully qualified and professional scouts and coaches at every level, the girls and women’s teams too!