joeyt Posted Monday at 09:58 Share Posted Monday at 09:58 Who was the last player to move between these two? Abel Xavier? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted Monday at 09:59 Share Posted Monday at 09:59 Wondered when Ait Nouri would get a move. He's been mint for ages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted Monday at 10:01 Share Posted Monday at 10:01 Wolves tend to get decent talent through the door. That new manager looks like he knows what he's doing too. Think they'll still be alright. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted Monday at 10:02 Share Posted Monday at 10:02 2 minutes ago, joeyt said: Who was the last player to move between these two? Abel Xavier? Aye, Nick Barmby before that in 2000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted Monday at 10:02 Share Posted Monday at 10:02 11 minutes ago, KaKa said: Forest play a counter attacking system. That doesn't mean that is all Elanga is good for. I trust Elanga far more to deliver a decent ball or finish a chance in the final third. Madueke can often be quite rash and snatches at things in similar circumstances. Forest play counterattacking style, and that is the reason why Elanga has had relative success. I would say his ability to beat a man in stationary situation is quite limited. We need players who help us unlock deep lying defences, Elanga certainly is not one. Forest's form dropped when teams started to sit back and knew they couldn't break them. For a 60 million or whatevere our RW costs, he needs to have a decent shot, good 1v1 ability and eye for a pass to create for Isak and others. I would say Murphy has 1,5 of these 3. Elanga has pretty much the same. I am not saying Madueke is certainly the right player, but he fits a lot better. Not knowing his personality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted Monday at 10:04 Share Posted Monday at 10:04 I like Madueke more than Elanga but might just be a preference around style. Also assume Madueke is not gettable for any kind of reasonable price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted Monday at 10:10 Share Posted Monday at 10:10 12 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Reckon premier league spending breaks the record this year. The Empire Strikes Back. All the ESL clubs going gangbusters after having their hegemony threatened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted Monday at 10:16 Share Posted Monday at 10:16 (edited) Elanga's ability to beat a man in a stationary situation is better than Madueke based on what they've actually shown in the PL. He is also completely two footed as well (his assists and goals are basically evenly spread between both feet), while Madueke is extremely left footed. This is one of those situations where a player is seemingly actually getting devalued because he can kick it and run past players (actually a perfectly reasonable and very effective tactic). The only thing I would say Madueke has over him is close control and aesthetically he's a better dribbler. Edited Monday at 10:16 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted Monday at 10:22 Share Posted Monday at 10:22 8 minutes ago, KingArthur said: Forest play counterattacking style, and that is the reason why Elanga has had relative success. I would say his ability to beat a man in stationary situation is quite limited. We need players who help us unlock deep lying defences, Elanga certainly is not one. Forest's form dropped when teams started to sit back and knew they couldn't break them. For a 60 million or whatevere our RW costs, he needs to have a decent shot, good 1v1 ability and eye for a pass to create for Isak and others. I would say Murphy has 1,5 of these 3. Elanga has pretty much the same. I am not saying Madueke is certainly the right player, but he fits a lot better. Not knowing his personality. Chelsea under Maresca can tend to be a bit slower in their play and can fall foul to the Pep side to side passing thing as Maresca is one of his disciples. Because of this they have come up against low blocks a fair bit as teams are able to get back and sit in. Madueke has not looked effective going up against these low blocks in these instances from what I've seen. He's just not very incisive in the final third. Elanga we haven't seen as much against low blocks, but his ability to deliver a cross is far more consistent and of better quality. I'd be far more confident of him making something happen. Regarding the right winger we sign, I don't think Howe will be looking for more of a play maker that opens up low blocks. I just don't think that's how he views things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted Monday at 10:23 Share Posted Monday at 10:23 2 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Elanga's ability to beat a man in a stationary situation is better than Madueke based on what they've actually shown in the PL. He is also completely two footed as well (his assists and goals are basically evenly spread between both feet), while Madueke is extremely left footed. This is one of those situations where a player is seemingly actually getting devalued because he can kick it and run past players (actually a perfectly reasonable and very effective tactic). The only thing I would say Madueke has over him is close control and aesthetically he's a better dribbler. I disagree, but fine. "Kick and run past player" doesn't work when opponent is camped inside it's own box and there is no room. You can see that with Almiron. He was pretty useless against low blocks. That is why we need technical ability and footballing brain. What we need is a left footer who can shoot and cut in, and pick a pass. And press like Howe insists. I would say neither Elanga or Madueke are, for the price they would require, good enough. But enough of this, I happily disagree with you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted Monday at 10:26 Share Posted Monday at 10:26 2 minutes ago, KaKa said: Chelsea under Maresca can tend to be a bit slower in their play and can fall foul to the Pep side to side passing thing as Maresca is one of his disciples. Because of this they have come up against low blocks a fair bit as teams are able to get back and sit in. Madueke has not looked effective going up against these low blocks in these instances from what I've seen. He's just not very incisive in the final third. Elanga we haven't seen as much against low blocks, but his ability to deliver a cross is far more consistent and of better quality. I'd be far more confident of him making something happen. Regarding the right winger we sign, I don't think Howe will be looking for more of a play maker that opens up low blocks. I just don't think that's how he views things. I didn't say right winger has to be playmaker, but he has to have ability to create. Murphy is already someone who can cross the ball well enough. That just isn't very effective way to score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted Monday at 10:34 Share Posted Monday at 10:34 4 minutes ago, KingArthur said: I didn't say right winger has to be playmaker, but he has to have ability to create. Murphy is already someone who can cross the ball well enough. That just isn't very effective way to score. Well I don't see that creativity in Madueke, and on top of that his crossing can be hit and miss. Also think Howe is going to get a player more in style with how we already play, so wouldn't get my hopes up in that regard. But you know, let's see what happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted Monday at 10:51 Share Posted Monday at 10:51 15 minutes ago, KaKa said: Well I don't see that creativity in Madueke, and on top of that his crossing can be hit and miss. Also think Howe is going to get a player more in style with how we already play, so wouldn't get my hopes up in that regard. But you know, let's see what happens. Some reports this morning saying that Chelsea are open to offers for Madueke as they’re looking to sign Jamie Gittens from Dortmund. Madueke can play from the right from what I’ve seen and I’d definitely take him here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted Monday at 10:58 Share Posted Monday at 10:58 3 minutes ago, andyc35i said: Some reports this morning saying that Chelsea are open to offers for Madueke as they’re looking to sign Jamie Gittens from Dortmund. Madueke can play from the right from what I’ve seen and I’d definitely take him here Both he and Elanga are 23 this year. Still room for growth with both. I wouldn't be upset if we signed Madueke, as I think he'd possibly look better in our style of play and would improve further. If I had to pick between the two though, I'd lean more towards Elanga that's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted Monday at 11:00 Share Posted Monday at 11:00 8 minutes ago, andyc35i said: Some reports this morning saying that Chelsea are open to offers for Madueke as they’re looking to sign Jamie Gittens from Dortmund. Madueke can play from the right from what I’ve seen and I’d definitely take him here Everyone except Palmer is for sale at Chelsea tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted Monday at 11:31 Share Posted Monday at 11:31 1 hour ago, gdm said: Hopefully that’s the end of the Tino talk… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted Monday at 11:40 Share Posted Monday at 11:40 Madueke similar to Minteh in carries with the ball on the right. He’s also both strong on his right foot so not sure where he’s only left footed is from? Looking at above, Van Hecke would be a good replacement for Schar. Sure someone floated his name other month? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted Monday at 11:56 Share Posted Monday at 11:56 24 minutes ago, LFEE said: Hopefully that’s the end of the Tino talk… It's not according to Romano. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT24 Posted Monday at 11:56 Share Posted Monday at 11:56 24 minutes ago, LFEE said: Hopefully that’s the end of the Tino talk… Why would signing a LB end the talk of signing Tino, a RB? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted Monday at 12:02 Share Posted Monday at 12:02 Mitrovic to Man Utd ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted Monday at 12:07 Share Posted Monday at 12:07 5 minutes ago, Ben said: Mitrovic to Man Utd ? Wouldn't hate it if it was on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted Monday at 12:09 Share Posted Monday at 12:09 I know we're only a couple of days in but I expected loads more activity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted Monday at 12:10 Share Posted Monday at 12:10 1 minute ago, Froggy said: Wouldn't hate it if it was on loan. He couldn't run when he played for us If your after a target man sure but seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted Monday at 12:10 Share Posted Monday at 12:10 Just now, Kid Icarus said: I know we're only a couple of days in but I expected loads more activity. In this short window? I mean really it's odd that clubs outside of the CWC are bothering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted Monday at 12:17 Share Posted Monday at 12:17 6 minutes ago, r0cafella said: In this short window? I mean really it's odd that clubs outside of the CWC are bothering. I don't see why not? I'd have thought clubs would have had targets lined up too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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