Twinport53 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Is anyone else slightly worried that very few players are showing signs of improvement or development under Rafa? Lascelles a side, I can't really think of a player that is performing, or showing any more potential than they did at the start of the season, or throughout last season (obviously factoring in differences in league). Lascelles performance wise has been consistently decent enough, probably the only player I'd say that's acquitted himself since the step up. Unless there is a change in ownership at the top, or a drastic and unprecedented change in direction that Charnley/Ashley are going to take with the club, I'm starting to worry that Rafa won't ever being able to push us up the league - in that he's the type of coach that is able to make a side more than the sum of it's parts. Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 And some had no gorm to give. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Is anyone else slightly worried that very few players are showing signs of improvement or development under Rafa? Lascelles a side, I can't really think of a player that is performing, or showing any more potential than they did at the start of the season, or throughout last season (obviously factoring in differences in league). Lascelles performance wise has been consistently decent enough, probably the only player I'd say that's acquitted himself since the step up. Unless there is a change in ownership at the top, or a drastic and unprecedented change in direction that Charnley/Ashley are going to take with the club, I'm starting to worry that Rafa won't ever being able to push us up the league - in that he's the type of coach that is able to make a side more than the sum of it's parts. Christ. I wonder what it's like living in opposites land Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Is anyone else slightly worried that very few players are showing signs of improvement or development under Rafa? Lascelles a side, I can't really think of a player that is performing, or showing any more potential than they did at the start of the season, or throughout last season (obviously factoring in differences in league). Lascelles performance wise has been consistently decent enough, probably the only player I'd say that's acquitted himself since the step up. Unless there is a change in ownership at the top, or a drastic and unprecedented change in direction that Charnley/Ashley are going to take with the club, I'm starting to worry that Rafa won't ever being able to push us up the league - in that he's the type of coach that is able to make a side more than the sum of it's parts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Is anyone else slightly worried that very few players are showing signs of improvement or development under Rafa? Lascelles a side, I can't really think of a player that is performing, or showing any more potential than they did at the start of the season, or throughout last season (obviously factoring in differences in league). Lascelles performance wise has been consistently decent enough, probably the only player I'd say that's acquitted himself since the step up. Unless there is a change in ownership at the top, or a drastic and unprecedented change in direction that Charnley/Ashley are going to take with the club, I'm starting to worry that Rafa won't ever being able to push us up the league - in that he's the type of coach that is able to make a side more than the sum of it's parts. Holy f***! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 That's a laughable post but it's worryingly typical of people trying to warp the reality of seemingly impossible situation by 'seeing it from another point of view' despite it being abundantly obvious that players aren't improving because they are in part unsuitable for the league, in a neglected squad and under a manager/team hostile ownership that stalls everything. Which bizarrely the post admits is the big factor by the end. We'll never push up the league chiefly because the bloke hamstrung by the club. It's that simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Is anyone else slightly worried that very few players are showing signs of improvement or development under Rafa? Lascelles a side, I can't really think of a player that is performing, or showing any more potential than they did at the start of the season, or throughout last season (obviously factoring in differences in league). Lascelles performance wise has been consistently decent enough, probably the only player I'd say that's acquitted himself since the step up. Unless there is a change in ownership at the top, or a drastic and unprecedented change in direction that Charnley/Ashley are going to take with the club, I'm starting to worry that Rafa won't ever being able to push us up the league - in that he's the type of coach that is able to make a side more than the sum of it's parts. The answer is in your first paragraph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Where did all these new wassocks come from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Where did all these new wassocks come from? The woodwork because brexit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I think the majority have improved to varying extents. We played at least 30 minutes of the Palace game without a single upgrade to the team who hobbled to the Championship title less than 12 months ago. Individuals like Lascelles have improved on a personal level, but we've improved as a unit. Rafa's created a solid foundation/identity, it just needs that investment to turn it, first, into a team that can comfortably consolidate it's position in the PL, then it needs its Bellamy/Robert to make it special. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 What an utter bell end this bloke is. https://twitter.com/markcurry26/status/961070280453115904 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Pardew was at Newcastle for the benefit of Ashley, Rafa is not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I'm bored of this, I'm going for a Twix. Halfies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I don't think it's helpful to attack someone for proffering a different view, you might not agree with it but to personally insult them for asking whether we could be performing better is not right and more like RAWK or even RTG. Benitez cannot be above healthy challenge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I don't think it's helpful to attack someone for proffering a different view, you might not agree with it but to personally insult them for asking whether we could be performing better is not right and more like RAWK or even RTG. Benitez cannot be above healthy challenge Let me know when there is a healthy challenge and not some bizarre ramblings. It's like having doctors talking about medicine then bringing in a homeopathy expert for the sake of "balance". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 What an utter bell end this bloke is. https://twitter.com/markcurry26/status/961070280453115904 The rest of that conversation - Jesus H! Some of our fans will deserve Lawrie Sanchez when he rocks up in the summer (no doubt with his mate Wise as his assistant!)! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I don't think it's helpful to attack someone for proffering a different view, you might not agree with it but to personally insult them for asking whether we could be performing better is not right and more like RAWK or even RTG. Benitez cannot be above healthy challenge Let me know when there is a healthy challenge and not some bizarre ramblings. It's like having doctors talking about medicine then bringing in a homeopathy expert for the sake of "balance". Someone questioning whether the players have improved this season are not bizarre ramblings, Jesus if you want to close down anyone that asks a legitimate question, even if you don't agree with it is ridiculous. Just to clarify I wasn't defending the tweet above, but the comment further up the chain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I don't think it's helpful to attack someone for proffering a different view, you might not agree with it but to personally insult them for asking whether we could be performing better is not right and more like RAWK or even RTG. Benitez cannot be above healthy challenge Let me know when there is a healthy challenge and not some bizarre ramblings. It's like having doctors talking about medicine then bringing in a homeopathy expert for the sake of "balance". Someone questioning whether the players have improved this season are not bizarre ramblings, Jesus if you want to close down anyone that asks a legitimate question, even if you don't agree with it is ridiculous It's absolutely bizarre to suggest the Rafa should "improve" what are essentially championship players into mid-table premiership players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 There's opinion with a backed up argument, and then there's just unmitigated wank. Those tweets by that bloke and some of the posts in this thread and just about Rafa in general recently have fallen under the latter category. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Where did 'mid-table premiership players' come from? They're your words. I'm not arguing about the point made and I personally don't agree with it, I just think going down the line of personally abusing someone for asking a question is not on. People just won't post anything and we will be RAWK which is not healthy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 There's opinion with a backed up argument, and then there's just unmitigated w***. Those tweets by that bloke and some of the posts in this thread and just about Rafa in general recently have fallen under the latter category. I wasn't referring to the tweet, it was the question further up. Jesus! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Is that the same Mark Curry that organised the fly over thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I think the whole "away from home" thing with Wijnaldum lets him off lightly if anything. He was disgraceful in almost every game from February onwards, home and away, even under Rafa. He got dropped from that team ffs He wasn't motivated, that's for sure, neither was Thauvin, but that doesn't mean they weren't quality players. We haven't been a side that attracts ambitious players for a while now, because we don't have any ambition as a club. If anything Rafa has fought tooth and nail to change that, but with Ashley it's obviously a losing battle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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