Guest Biggsbond14 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Dr Jinx said: Apparently having a board meeting tomorrow to see if they are still all on the same page after backing him before. If he’s still in favour they will approve a transfer strategy, if not then he’ll be gone before end of month. Errr if he isn’t in favour he will be sacked straight away as a new manager would buy his own players not let him select them then peddle him , there dof is out the door too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 38 minutes ago, Danh1 said: Has Rondon shown any signs of improvement? Hes been a disgrace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) Always a big risk bringing someone back from a league like China. Not too easy when you (I assume) have a transfer budget of zero pounds though. Edited January 3, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) What do you expect for nothing? Edited January 3, 2022 by gazza ladra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Anyone questioning Rafa just needs to remember what he did with arguably a worse squad of players that we have now - with zero budget. Give the man time and the budget - he'll get you a team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I personally don’t mind Everton, @Neil is sound, but it’s painfully clear this isn’t going to work out. I love Rafa, but he’s somewhere between old school and the new wave of manager’s like Klopp, Pep, Tuchel, and Howe to lesser extent. He’s way too stubborn to adapt to a squad as talent diverse as Everton’s. He has his systems and expects players to follow, regardless of on pitch chemistry. Howe would have been a great appointment for Everton and I’m surprised he wasn’t interested or interviewed back when. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, duo said: Anyone questioning Rafa just needs to remember what he did with arguably a worse squad of players that we have now - with zero budget. Give the man time and the budget - he'll get you a team. Problem is Everton have spent, are talented and Rafa should be doing better with the players at his disposal. We were a squad of also rans who all bought into Rafa and were well drilled players hoping to improve under a world class manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 7 hours ago, joeyt said: He wouldn't have known that the takeover would be announced 3 months into the season, it wasn't exactly making progress back in June It seemed to even take Staveley and her entourage by surprise how quickly it was resolved The speed but not the outcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 2 hours ago, duo said: Anyone questioning Rafa just needs to remember what he did with arguably a worse squad of players that we have now - with zero budget. Give the man time and the budget - he'll get you a team. you don’t get time . look at some of the comments already on here about our own manager ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, duo said: Anyone questioning Rafa just needs to remember what he did with arguably a worse squad of players that we have now - with zero budget. Give the man time and the budget - he'll get you a team. That was one team though. There’s no guarantee he’ll get it right everywhere and he and Everton clearly don’t look the right fit. He was great for us and engaged with us brilliantly, but we can’t talk about his time here as if he’s a miracle worker or never made questionable decisions. Getting the best squad in the Championship promoted was expected and we managed to end the seasons well in the Premiership despite being in relegation battles. We were fighting with Cardiff for safety in 2019 and nobody raves about Warnock. We finished higher last year than then under Bruce and we definitely didn’t have better squads than teams below (Wolves, Brighton, maybe others), also thanks to a great end to the season - things can often pan out this way. The 10th place in 2018 was very impressive, but even then he wouldn’t be the first or last to take a newly-promoted team into the top 10. Wilder took a clearly worse squad higher. Unfortunately it fell apart the next year, but it’s not surprising given their squad. Ultimately managers have their ups and downs and will rightfully come in for criticism even with previous success (e.g. Mourinho). I haven’t assessed his tactics much, but Everton fans watch their team so seem to be in a good place to comment. Edited January 3, 2022 by St. Maximin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biggsbond14 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, St. Maximin said: That was one team though. There’s no guarantee he’ll get it right everywhere and he and Everton clearly don’t look the right fit. He was great for us and engaged with us brilliantly, but we can’t talk about his time here as if he’s a miracle worker or never made questionable decisions. Getting the best squad in the Championship promoted was expected and we managed to end the seasons well in the Premiership despite being in relegation battles. We were fighting with Cardiff for safety in 2019 and nobody raves about Warnock. We finished higher last year than then under Bruce and we definitely didn’t have better squads than teams below (Wolves, Brighton, maybe others), also thanks to a great end to the season - things can often pan out this way. The 10th place in 2018 was very impressive, but even then he wouldn’t be the first or last to take a newly-promoted team into the top 10. Wilder took a clearly worse squad higher. Unfortunately it fell apart the next year, but it’s not surprising given their squad. Ultimately managers have their ups and downs and will rightfully come in for criticism even with previous success (e.g. Mourinho). I haven’t assessed his tactics much, but Everton fans watch their team so seem to be in a good place to comment. Totally get what your saying about newly promoted teams like us for instance and looking back maybe Rafa just got lucky as from leaving us it’s turned to shit and as a outsider probably bad career moves (cash in China aside) , outside of Merseyside I guess everyone thought wtf is he doing especially the animosity towards rafa from the blue side before he even got the job. Will he get cash to spend this window? Who knows but if he doesn’t it’s a bad sign for him going forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 12 minutes ago, Biggsbond14 said: Totally get what your saying about newly promoted teams like us for instance and looking back maybe Rafa just got lucky as from leaving us it’s turned to shit and as a outsider probably bad career moves (cash in China aside) , outside of Merseyside I guess everyone thought wtf is he doing especially the animosity towards rafa from the blue side before he even got the job. Will he get cash to spend this window? Who knows but if he doesn’t it’s a bad sign for him going forward Don't they need to sell before they can buy? I was under the impression that they hampered by FFP. Downgrading at left back at LB to buy players better suited to Rafa's tactics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biggsbond14 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, gazza ladra said: Don't they need to sell before they can buy? I was under the impression that they hampered by FFP. Downgrading at left back at LB to buy players better suited to Rafa's tactics? Leaves a difficult situation considering they have just spent that money on that player a few days ago and going by previous results who knows how much time he has Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Why don’t we swap Everton’s defence for ours if he can work miracles with ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 That sense of general malaise persists. Salomon Rondon has done little right since arriving as attacking cover in the summer but even so, booing a player’s arrival onto the pitch can never make sense https://theathletic.com/3046875/2022/01/02/benitezs-bad-decisions-were-to-blame-for-this-loss-as-everton-turned-toxic-again/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, St. Maximin said: That was one team though. There’s no guarantee he’ll get it right everywhere and he and Everton clearly don’t look the right fit. He was great for us and engaged with us brilliantly, but we can’t talk about his time here as if he’s a miracle worker or never made questionable decisions. Getting the best squad in the Championship promoted was expected and we managed to end the seasons well in the Premiership despite being in relegation battles. We were fighting with Cardiff for safety in 2019 and nobody raves about Warnock. We finished higher last year than then under Bruce and we definitely didn’t have better squads than teams below (Wolves, Brighton, maybe others), also thanks to a great end to the season - things can often pan out this way. The 10th place in 2018 was very impressive, but even then he wouldn’t be the first or last to take a newly-promoted team into the top 10. Wilder took a clearly worse squad higher. Unfortunately it fell apart the next year, but it’s not surprising given their squad. Ultimately managers have their ups and downs and will rightfully come in for criticism even with previous success (e.g. Mourinho). I haven’t assessed his tactics much, but Everton fans watch their team so seem to be in a good place to comment. I do agree with much of this. And I would honestly say I'd be worried if he was in charge of this side, basing it on how he froze out Mitrovic who is clearly a goal machine, now doing a similar thing with Digne. I think someone like ASM being frozen out would rub plenty of our fans up the wrong way. Still love the guy though, just something about him, think its more to do with the fact he did everything to go against Ashley and involve us fans. Basically the guy has integrity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 14 hours ago, sh74 said: He went to China. He went there because there was no job close to home other than continue getting the piss taken out of him by Big Mike. His home is still in Liverpool. It's still the reason why he took the Everton job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 The odds were stacked against him. He coached the fierce rival. The setup is dysfunctional. Many players are overpaid/underperforming. It was bound to happen and many of us on here saw it. It would have been a fairy tale if he had given the fans what they wanted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Still totally confident that he'll turn it around given the time and backing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Some criticism came his way on motd last night at how he set them up and the general lack of coherence in the team, and his interview was a bit disquieting. We know he`s a driven obsessive individual but fuck knows what happened to his self awareness when he accepted this gig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 brilliant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, GWN said: brilliant Saw the one after the derby with Liverpool, it was funny as fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Did we really go for Rafa when we got rid of baconhead? If so, should Rafa have jump ship here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 DCL scored 16 league goals last season. That is a huge loss tbf. Certainly not saying Rafa is blameless but their squad is poor. See how the rest of season goes, and make a judgement then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Everton are living proof of what can happen when wealthy people not footballing people run a project. Horrific all round Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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