Rafa Benítez (now unemployed)

[Dokko]

Been thinking on about him coming back here and its a no from me. Had this all happened in the summer he'd be my No1 target but right now we can't ditch a manager 10 games in to his career just because another one comes available. Again next summer up or down its still a no for me. Everywhere he goes its a political struggle and its something we could do without. 

[MarkyMark]

10 minutes ago, AsproHor8319 said:

We achieved 45 points with pretty much the same team for gods sake last season. We've played 20 games so far this season & are on 12 points. It doesnt take a genius to realise we're way behind where we were with Howe's "tactics". They are having an even more negative effect on the team than Bruce's ever was. 

 

Problem is, Everton’s form with Rafa was even worse that Howe’s with NUFC in the time since joining.  Everton have a stronger side than us, I reckon.

 

The number of points achieved in previous seasons isn’t always a guide to what happens the following year.  At Newcastle alone, I’ve seen a side finish 13th (and be a lot closer to the drop than that suggests) after finishing 2nd the year before, having been top six for four years.  I’ve also seen one finish 14th after 5th, also after three years in the top five.

 

The side was creaking for some time.  The blame for it falling to pieces hardly lies with Howe - what Howe can be criticised for (to me) is not finding a way to make a poor side win - something Dean Smith has at Norwich.  This side was 100% certain to go down under Bruce. 

[Minhosa]

1 minute ago, Dokko said:

Been thinking on about him coming back here and its a no from me. Had this all happened in the summer he'd be my No1 target but right now we can't ditch a manager 10 games in to his career just because another one comes available. Again next summer up or down its still a no for me. Everywhere he goes its a political struggle and its something we could do without. 

That's where I am albeit feeling slightly conflicted about being there

[AsproHor8319]

17 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

You are having a mare in your first few posts, dude. Not saying Howe is beyond criticism (plenty of reasonable criticism to aim at him so far), but dismissing his achievements at Bournemouth is just utterly ridiculous. You sound like a duo acolyte here.

 

He's achieved things in the lower divisions, yes, but thats not going to get you anywhere when you play in the top division. Did it save Chris Wilder from losing his job at Sheffield United. 

 

Pull your head out of your ass. If we can get someone of the Calibre of Bernitez, get him. 

[relámpago blanco]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Considering I was petrified of getting Martinez in our position, Everton fans (who obviously already have first hand experience of his shitness)...I can't lie to you about your chances but you have my sympathies.

 

 

Fuck, didn't realise they were going after Martinez.  He will probably keep them up tbh, even if he is useless, they have a very good squad.  The problem with Everton this season hasn't been Rafa, it has been the toxic environment their fans created, that some of their players picked up on.  I'd have preferred Rafa over anyone when the takeover went through but Eddie has my full backing.  I really like him and it takes a long time for his methods to work (same as Rafa in that respect tbh).  

[Deuce]

1 hour ago, Barnes23 said:

 Sorry, but this is totally baseless. People want it to be true, because he's the manager we happen to have. But on the evidence of the first 10 games, I'm not sure how anyone could reach that conclusion. It would be premature to talk of relieving him of his duties right now, perhaps, but the pressure should absolutely be on because we don't have time to waste. Talk of persisting with him even if we go down, not even factoring in what our performances could look like from now until the end of the season, is even crazier. We have no obligation to the man; this kind of undue loyalty totally clouds the possibility of any kind of critical thinking about the direction we need to take going forward.  

I don’t believe there’s a single manager we could realistically hire at this point who’d be better positioned to keep up this squad than Howe. Anyone we get in would be starting from square one AGAIN, albeit with the same squad; it’s not plug-n-play. We’ve committed to Howe to let him implement his system come hell or high water. It’ll either come off this season and we’ll stay up, or he’ll be revamping the squad next season in the Championship.
 

Y’all are kidding yourselves if you think Howe was hired as a mercenary manager with the sole mandate to keep the squad in the Premier League. He’s quite clearly someone PIF is investing in with a view to the bigger picture. *Even if that means we’re going down with him.*
 

And it has nothing to do with loyalty to Howe. He’s working with Bruce’s broken squad, trying to get them playing actual football instead of “hoof it up field and run around a bit, lads.” I’m not saying results haven’t been disappointing and we’re not in need of significant investment. 

[AsproHor8319]

21 minutes ago, Awaymag said:

So you joined 50 mins ago and put in two post about Howe -  you are full of shit and going mute, you fucking turd!

Want to try & say that to my face keyboard warrior? probably in your mammies basement, lmao

[relámpago blanco]

1 minute ago, AsproHor8319 said:

 

He's achieved things in the lower divisions, yes, but thats not going to get you anywhere when you play in the top division. Did it save Chris Wilder from losing his job at Sheffield United. 

 

Pull your head out of your ass. If we can get someone of the Calibre of Bernitez, get him. 

He's achieved things in this division as well.  Hard to compare with Rafa tbh.  Completely different style but both focus on fitness and set up, both take a long time for the players to drill into them what they want.  Look at either of them at any club.

[AsproHor8319]

It is when you compare him to a Champions league winner, a Uefa cup Winner, a La Liga dont ya think???? The time has moved on since we were in the championship 

[Carlito]

1 minute ago, relámpago blanco said:

Fuck, didn't realise they were going after Martinez.  He will probably keep them up tbh, even if he is useless, they have a very good squad.  The problem with Everton this season hasn't been Rafa, it has been the toxic environment their fans created, that some of their players picked up on.  I'd have preferred Rafa over anyone when the takeover went through but Eddie has my full backing.  I really like him and it takes a long time for his methods to work (same as Rafa in that respect tbh).  

 

I wouldn't necessarily say Rafa's methods took a long time to work here (although that depends on what you'd define as a long time in fairness). We ended the 15/16 season 6 games unbeaten, conceding only 4 goals which were against Liverpool, Man City and Spurs. Not bad at all for a relegated side.

[Sean]

I'd have Rafa back, not so much because I want him back but because I have so little faith in Eddie Howe. 

 

I think one problem Howe has, is that his appointment made not one single fan go "wow". Some though he was a good fit, others had huge reservations, but no-one thought we were punching above our weight. Everyone was prepared to back him, but they need to see at least some improvement and there needs to be at least an acceptable level of results. That hasn't happened.

[GWN]

5 minutes ago, Sean said:

I'd have Rafa back, not so much because I want him back but because I have so little faith in Eddie Howe. 

 

I think one problem Howe has, is that his appointment made not one single fan go "wow". Some though he was a good fit, others had huge reservations, but no-one thought we were punching above our weight. Everyone was prepared to back him, but they need to see at least some improvement and there needs to be at least an acceptable level of results. That hasn't happened.

 

 

Appointing Rafa now would not make me go WOW sorry 

[relámpago blanco]

1 minute ago, ManDoon said:

Ohhhh ructions 

[GWN]

9 minutes ago, Sean said:

I'd have Rafa back, not so much because I want him back but because I have so little faith in Eddie Howe. 

 

I think one problem Howe has, is that his appointment made not one single fan go "wow". Some though he was a good fit, others had huge reservations, but no-one thought we were punching above our weight. Everyone was prepared to back him, but they need to see at least some improvement and there needs to be at least an acceptable level of results. That hasn't happened.

 

 

You seem unable to grasp that 89% of them are utter fucking shite 

[RealGoneKid]

6 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

Ohhhh ructions 

[Sean]

5 minutes ago, GWN said:

 

 

You seem unable to grasp that 89% of them are utter fucking shite 

What the fuck are you on about?

[Vinny Green Balls]

19 minutes ago, AsproHor8319 said:

Want to try & say that to my face keyboard warrior? probably in your mammies basement, lmao

Go back to your incel buddies at 8kun, twat.

[Klaus]

This place has been infiltrated by some right knuckle draggers recently. 

[TRon]

New sign up wanker.

[GWN]

1 minute ago, Sean said:

What the fuck are you on about?

 

Are you stupid 

[relámpago blanco]

@Sean Rafa, I fucking love and I would have him back but the issue is his, along with Howe's training and tactics take a long time to take effect.  You can research both, with Rafa, us going down is a casing point.  With Howe look at his former clubs.

 

We also have to factor in these players have been ruined by Bruce because of a lack of coaching for years.

 

Some have responded, some haven't.  I thought we would have had better results just from training but its a completely different approach ( actually coaching the players).

 

Eddie has been hamstrung from the start(covid) and we have been very unlucky and I'll never fucking forgive Clark for that sending off as we would have won that game. 

 

Because of various unfortunate bollocks we didn't get the new manager bounce and have been unlucky.  We look shite now so we need a few signings and I think we will be ok.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

I think its now or never for Rafa to come back.

 

We know he was definitely AS's first choice and that the consortium made tentative approaches before appointing Howe so there remained an ambition for Rafa to spearhead the revolution 4 months ago.

 

So the question for them to now ask and answer is 2 fold - firstly if we are in the Championship next year who is in the dug out and then secondly do they have more faith in Howe or Rafa to make that question redundant.

 

If the answer to the second is Rafa then they need a real long hard look into question 1.

 

There is no value in keeping Howe if Rafa is the choice when it goes wrong and I doubt the consortium will be anything other than cool and collected in making the call either way

[huss9]

32 minutes ago, Carlito said:

 

I wouldn't necessarily say Rafa's methods took a long time to work here (although that depends on what you'd define as a long time in fairness). We ended the 15/16 season 6 games unbeaten, conceding only 4 goals which were against Liverpool, Man City and Spurs. Not bad at all for a relegated side.

people forget.

[Wandy]

36 minutes ago, Tomato Deuce said:

I don’t believe there’s a single manager we could realistically hire at this point who’d be better positioned to keep up this squad than Howe. Anyone we get in would be starting from square one AGAIN, albeit with the same squad; it’s not plug-n-play. We’ve committed to Howe to let him implement his system come hell or high water. It’ll either come off this season and we’ll stay up, or he’ll be revamping the squad next season in the Championship.
 

Y’all are kidding yourselves if you think Howe was hired as a mercenary manager with the sole mandate to keep the squad in the Premier League. He’s quite clearly someone PIF is investing in with a view to the bigger picture. *Even if that means we’re going down with him.*
 

And it has nothing to do with loyalty to Howe. He’s working with Bruce’s broken squad, trying to get them playing actual football instead of “hoof it up field and run around a bit, lads.” I’m not saying results haven’t been disappointing and we’re not in need of significant investment. 

 

There's not a chance that PIF hired Howe in the belief that we might be relegated this season and therefore he'd be the man for the next 3 years regardless. If we go down then he has failed and should be sacked. I'm near certain that PIF will take this view too, otherwise losing will be being rewarded. That's not how a successful, winning organisation operates. 

[Dwivedi]

To be honest everton side he managed had its best players out almost whole season, their main strikers were absent,  their main central defender was out, rest of  their squad is really poor. They didn't even give him any money to spend. 

And the fans were toxic from the beginning, they would just question every decision of his. Worst fans i have ever seen.

But rafa has this on himself, he should have judged the fans reaction, players just doesn't care when manager is extremely unpopular and that's what probably happened there. 

I read somewhere when their whole squad was available they won 5 out 6 games. So probably down to injuries and fans ?