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nufcnick

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1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Only way he should imo. Knew this would happen on here. As soon as a bad run comes along then it'll be 'ohhh get Rafa back', even though he's not been great in management since he was at us ~3 years ago.

Bad run??? We have won 1 game under him, can’t defend for toffee, can’t hold onto a lead and look like conceding every time the team we play attacks us. At least under Rafa we were well drilled and organised and didn’t look like conceding goals at every turn. 

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Just now, nufcnick said:

Bad run??? We have won 1 game under him, can’t defend for toffee, can’t hold onto a lead and look like conceding every time the team we play attacks us. At least under Rafa we were well drilled and organised and didn’t look like conceding goals at every turn. 

 

We've had 2 and half years of (non existent) Bruce coaching. A guy who sold Lejeune to give Clark more playing time. The inability to hold leads has been a staple since June 2020, its not new nor is it something that can be fixed in 10 games; 3 of which were against the two Manchester clubs and Liverpool. 

 

Now I'm not defending Howe for these results btw, just trying to lend some perspective before people go "oOoOh GeT rAfA bAcK". Given how he's been doing with a squad far ahead of ours, I'm not so sure. Still love the bloke btw, not trying to rewrite history here.

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1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

We've had 2 and half years of (non existent) Bruce coaching. A guy who sold Lejeune to give Clark more playing time. The inability to hold leads has been a staple since June 2020, its not new nor is it something that can be fixed in 10 games; 3 of which were against the two Manchester clubs and Liverpool. 

 

Now I'm not defending Howe for these results btw, just trying to lend some perspective before people go "oOoOh GeT rAfA bAcK". Given how he's been doing with a squad far ahead of ours, I'm not so sure. Still love the bloke btw, not trying to rewrite history here.

 

Howe has been insistent on playing Clark too like.

 

Fairly convinced he’s only out of the team at the moment because he’s got Covid.

 

 

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Gallowgate Toon

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Easy to forget that we were poor under Rafa in his last season until he had a fit, competent front 3 to work with. Don't think he'd make much difference now considering what's available.

 

He'd also absolutely hate Maxi.

 

Not sure where he goes from here, tbh. He does feel a bit finished? 

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2 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Howe has been insistent on playing Clark too like.

 

Fairly convinced he’s only out of the team at the moment because he’s got Covid.

 

 

 

 

He's played Clark in 3 out of his 10 games. Only reason that's been amplified is because of the errors he's made.

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1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

He's played Clark in 3 out of his 10 games. Only reason that's been amplified is because of the errors he's made.


Sounds much worse when you say he’s played Clark in 3 out of the 5 games he’s been available for.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said:


Sounds much worse when you say he’s played Clark in 3 out of the 5 games he’s been available for.

 

 

 

 

6. Not that that's saying much. Benitez continues to play Rondon at Everton. All managers at Man Utd play McFred seemingly. Probably because there's no one else? Especially for us as Bruce was happy to sell Lejeune without replacing him?

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16 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

We've had 2 and half years of (non existent) Bruce coaching. A guy who sold Lejeune to give Clark more playing time. The inability to hold leads has been a staple since June 2020, its not new nor is it something that can be fixed in 10 games; 3 of which were against the two Manchester clubs and Liverpool. 

 

Now I'm not defending Howe for these results btw, just trying to lend some perspective before people go "oOoOh GeT rAfA bAcK". Given how he's been doing with a squad far ahead of ours, I'm not so sure. Still love the bloke btw, not trying to rewrite history here.

If your a bad team you concentrate on defending first, keeping things tight and then nick 1 nil wins, this is something Howe is incapable of, what did he say to Mandy, “ the team is under performing and should be higher in the table” well he clearly also can’t get a tune of of them because has had 10 games now and has 1 win in those 10 games he’s played Norwich, Brentford, Burnley, Watford, Cambridge at home and Leicester and who we beat last season away, those games you should be coming away with 12 points minimum and we have taken 6, granted we got a point from ManU that was unexpected but again a game we should have won and failed to defend properly. 
anyway it’s immaterial any way because Mandy’s not going to sack him, so it’s just speculation about Rafa .

 

 

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thomas

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13 minutes ago, hakka said:

 

Why do people use such extreme language at times for simply having a different opinion in football. :lol:

Opinions are not inherently valuable or deserve respect.

 

If I have the opinion Chris Wood is better than Shearer I should receive pushback for having a dysfunctional brain.

 

In a similar manner, yearning for the return of rafa is not an inspirational viewpoint and I refuse to entertain it as meaningful. I love the man for what he did here but a return would be horrible.

 

Also I'm usually hyperbolic for the sake of levity, sometimes that doesn't come across.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, thomas said:

Opinions are not inherently valuable or deserve respect.

 

If I have the opinion Chris Wood is better than Shearer I should receive pushback for having a dysfunctional brain.

 

In a similar manner, yearning for the return of rafa is not an inspirational viewpoint and I refuse to entertain it as meaningful. I love the man for what he did here but a return would be horrible.

 

Also I'm usually hyperbolic for the sake of levity, sometimes that doesn't come across.

 

 

 

Levity did come across there tbh.

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Still think he can turn it around if they give him the chance to. :lol: I can't help it, the relationship might be a waste of time, but I still think he's an excellent manager.

 

 

Still wouldn't have him here though, that ship has sailed now and I don't think he'd get the patience he was afforded previously.

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49 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Wow didn't realise it was 1 win in his last 13 in the league.

 

Worst form out of any of the 92 english league sides since the end of October iirc. 

 

It's mad that so many think the answer to our problems is to replace Howe with someone doing worse than him with a better side. 

 

All this stuff about we'd be guaranteed to have a proper gameplan and be hard to beat etc. Has nobody watched Everton this season? It genuinely looks like he's trying to relegate them, the tactics and team selections have been woeful. 

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Funnily enough, I think Rafa would be a superb DoF.  He wouldn’t take the job mind - and Howe would probably be unhappy that a replacement is sat staring at him from the stands.

 

It would be like Pardew and Kinnear, only with competent people involved. 

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So anyone who wants a manager who comfortably kept us up with very limited resources, was loved by the fans, and improved all our shit players (who’ve all pretty much regressed since he left) back is a lunatic?

 

Jesus. I can understand why you would want rafa back at the moment, but there are plenty of reason why we’d take him back, too. If he had more than ten games to get the shit together back in 2016, we would have stayed up for sure. We were playing pretty well those last 6 games or so we were unbeaten, too.

 

Personally, if Howe was to prove not to be good enough and send us down with a whimper, I’d have him back in the summer.

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5 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

Hope they give it to Big Dunc until the end of the season, he might actually take them down :fwap: 

 

Weird considering how short a time he was with us and the fact I was ten years old but I don't want Big Dunc to fail. Strange one when I'd love Everton to implode. :lol:

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