Unbelievable Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A lack of additions in the January window may well be Ashley's way of making PCP come to terms. You mean buy us in time to make their own signings and keep us up? Yeah, so reports are that the valuation is apart and there were issues over relegation clauses. Ashley will want maximum sale price and no relegation clause. If he refuses to allow PCP to 'help' in January he essentially puts pressure on PCP to quickly agree to his value and waive relegation clauses so that they can provide funds for investment to reduce the risk of relegation. I understand the argument but only a buffoon would come up with it in a serious negotiation: "I will offer you 5k for your car" "8k" "Maximum I can do is 6k. Take it or leave it" "8k or I'll f***ing crash it against that brick wall" "..." The analogy is understandable but doesn't really apply. No/minimal investment in January is risky but it is not akin to smashing the car into the wall. If it is a mechanism to force PCP to terms it may be that investment follows if PCP walk away. At the moment the January window is potentially leverage for Ashley and this may well be a bit of brinksmanship. I think the analogy works as it is. The club getting relegated will not hurt PCP as they would just walk and buy Southampton or some other club. They don't have a vested, real interest in NUFC yet, like Ashley has. Ashley stands to lose a fortune by not strengthening. Threatening to run the club into the ground to attempt to force someone else to buy it at a higher price is not leverage in my book, it's idiocy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A lack of additions in the January window may well be Ashley's way of making PCP come to terms. You mean buy us in time to make their own signings and keep us up? Yeah, so reports are that the valuation is apart and there were issues over relegation clauses. Ashley will want maximum sale price and no relegation clause. If he refuses to allow PCP to 'help' in January he essentially puts pressure on PCP to quickly agree to his value and waive relegation clauses so that they can provide funds for investment to reduce the risk of relegation. I understand the argument but only a buffoon would come up with it in a serious negotiation: "I will offer you 5k for your car" "8k" "Maximum I can do is 6k. Take it or leave it" "8k or I'll f***ing crash it against that brick wall" "..." The analogy is understandable but doesn't really apply. No/minimal investment in January is risky but it is not akin to smashing the car into the wall. If it is a mechanism to force PCP to terms it may be that investment follows if PCP walk away. At the moment the January window is potentially leverage for Ashley and this may well be a bit of brinksmanship. I think the analogy works as it is. The club getting relegated will not hurt PCP as they would just walk and buy Southampton or some other club. They don't have a vested, real interest in NUFC yet, like Ashley has. Ashley stands to lose a fortune by not strengthening. Threatening to run the club into the ground to attempt to force someone else to buy it at a higher price is not leverage in my book, it's idiocy. it's gambling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 the whole takeover thing is an elaborate hoax by ashley to distract fans from the fact that the fat clown wont be spending any money in January on desperately needed new players and to give himself an easy scapegoat should we go down. "it werent me, it were the unsettling buy out news" Again, what do Staveley and PCP get by going along with this? Other then potentially ruining there brand? Who says Stavely and PCP have to be "in" on it for Ashley to be fooling around without any real intention of selling up though? It's not like Ashley hasn't done this before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A lack of additions in the January window may well be Ashley's way of making PCP come to terms. You mean buy us in time to make their own signings and keep us up? Yeah, so reports are that the valuation is apart and there were issues over relegation clauses. Ashley will want maximum sale price and no relegation clause. If he refuses to allow PCP to 'help' in January he essentially puts pressure on PCP to quickly agree to his value and waive relegation clauses so that they can provide funds for investment to reduce the risk of relegation. I understand the argument but only a buffoon would come up with it in a serious negotiation: "I will offer you 5k for your car" "8k" "Maximum I can do is 6k. Take it or leave it" "8k or I'll f***ing crash it against that brick wall" "..." The analogy is understandable but doesn't really apply. No/minimal investment in January is risky but it is not akin to smashing the car into the wall. If it is a mechanism to force PCP to terms it may be that investment follows if PCP walk away. At the moment the January window is potentially leverage for Ashley and this may well be a bit of brinksmanship. I think the analogy works as it is. The club getting relegated will not hurt PCP as they would just walk and buy Southampton or some other club. They don't have a vested, real interest in NUFC yet, like Ashley has. Ashley stands to lose a fortune by not strengthening. Threatening to run the club into the ground to attempt to force someone else to buy it at a higher price is not leverage in my book, it's idiocy. We clearly represent a specific opportunity that they are interested in. You wouldn't try and buy a club or anything from Mike Ashley unless you were serious about it. Ashley stands to lose a fortune by not strengthening, well yes if the club is relegated and never returns to the premier league he will lose a fortune. This idea that he has to sell now is just untrue though. Even if the club is relegated, lets say we return to the Premier League the next year, how much value has the club lost? To a potential investor we remain the same opportunity as we are now. It may be that the TV deal is more lucrative at that point so we may actually be worth more by default in 2 years time. I'm not saying he doesn't want to sell, I suspect he does but he also wants the price that he wants for the club and I suspect he wants that more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Are you people forgetting that Ashley has said that he wouldn't sell to someone who didn't have the clubs best interests at heart? I'm afraid any delay is probably not down to money, but PCP simply failing to demonstrate enough care in the clubs future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ads Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Are you people forgetting that Ashley has said that he wouldn't sell to someone who didn't have the clubs best interests at heart? I'm afraid any delay is probably not down to money, but PCP simply failing to demonstrate enough care in the clubs future. Imagine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 PCP can simply go to buy Southampton and hire Rafa as their manager. Ashley would be the only one who suffer from the huge relegation loss. Obviously he didn't realise this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 PCP can simply go to buy Southampton and hire Rafa as their manager. Ashley would be the only one who suffer from the huge relegation loss. Obviously he didn't realise this. Southampton have just been sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I'm fearing a Rafa resignation soon tbh. This ain't happening soon enough for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 PCP can simply go to buy Southampton and hire Rafa as their manager. Ashley would be the only one who suffer from the huge relegation loss. Obviously he didn't realise this. Southampton have just been sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I'm fearing a Rafa resignation soon tbh. This ain't happening soon enough for him I cry evrytim :'( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I guess the fact that Rafa is still here might mean he knows something about the situation. If it was off completely I'm not sure if he would see out the season... I guess he might out of honour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Caulkin literally said two days ago that progress was still being made. Calm the fuck down people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonjam88 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Caulkin literally said two days ago that progress was still being made. Calm the f*** down people. They must be negotiating via carrier pigeon then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Caulkin literally said two days ago that progress was still being made. Calm the fuck down people. It's just the transfer window about to be a disaster is a kind of milestone. TBH I never thought it would be done by now, but I did hope some arrangement to sign players could be made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Caulkin literally said two days ago that progress was still being made. Calm the f*** down people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 PCP can simply go to buy Southampton and hire Rafa as their manager. Ashley would be the only one who suffer from the huge relegation loss. Obviously he didn't realise this. Southampton have just been sold. Shit lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Ian is right. The transfer window is the real issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I remember some poster on here who seemed knowledgable of these sorts of transactions/negotiations said the sale of the club would easily take till at least the end of January/start of February. With that considered, how would people feel about us signing nobody but also selling nobody, and then being taken over when the window is closed? I wouldn't mind it, I think it will be close with the current squad but also genuinely feel we already have just enough to stay up. We're on course already tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Are you people forgetting that Ashley has said that he wouldn't sell to someone who didn't have the clubs best interests at heart? I'm afraid any delay is probably not down to money, but PCP simply failing to demonstrate enough care in the clubs future. Imagine an owner worse than Ashley. The mackems dont have to :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Wouldn't be ideal but as we would have a reasonable chance of relegation with Ashley remaining I'd prefer a reasonable chance of relegation with a new owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Are you people forgetting that Ashley has said that he wouldn't sell to someone who didn't have the clubs best interests at heart? I'm afraid any delay is probably not down to money, but PCP simply failing to demonstrate enough care in the clubs future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 It's not even July yet, FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 In the next few days, maybe this time next week, there will be an announcement right out of the blue. Big yellow bar on SSN - Newcastle United sold to PCP capital partners. Just fucking relax! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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