hakka Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Such an emotional rollercoaster this take over. Even though no facts are being presented, I swing from being relaxed and thinking it will come in and investment will happen in Jan, to thinking it won't come off, nothing spent and our PL status or Rafa as our manager is in jeopardy. This is exactly how I feel. Today I am in the camp of it not happening and Ashley once again just being a c***. Aye, and while we reach the 20th deadline Rafa set for bodies in my anxiety around this situation will increase. I don't get this fat wanker. He has a profitable way out, and yet he's fucking us again just to be greedy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I don't blame PCP for refusing to budge on price either. The cost of buying players is soaring by the month, and our squad is now one of the poorest in the division. It will cost a lot of money to get it up to where it needs to be, we've flogged all our decent players ages ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 The latest rumour that Rafa has been told he has to sell players before buying suggests that this isn't happening any time soon. We can write off any funds from Ashley which would be paid off in the event of a takeover if that's true. Possible tactic by Ashley to put pressure on PCP to raise their offer perhaps? Might be the case. I'm sure PCP will want Rafa to get players that he needs to ensure we are able to stay up. Ashley may well be using this fact to get the offer he wants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A lack of additions in the January window may well be Ashley's way of making PCP come to terms. You mean buy us in time to make their own signings and keep us up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 The latest rumour that Rafa has been told he has to sell players before buying suggests that this isn't happening any time soon. We can write off any funds from Ashley which would be paid off in the event of a takeover if that's true. Possible tactic by Ashley to put pressure on PCP to raise their offer perhaps? Might be the case. I'm sure PCP will want Rafa to get players that he needs to ensure we are able to stay up. Ashley may well be using this fact to get the offer he wants. Testing PCP desire to see this deal through to maximise his sale value. He's playing a game of chicken here, problem is if we lose it's our future under Rafa at stake. Can't see another top manager touching us after Rafa, it will be a has been or unproven with little investment. Hardly much left we can sell to generate funds like last time we went down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A lack of additions in the January window may well be Ashley's way of making PCP come to terms. You mean buy us in time to make their own signings and keep us up? Yeah, so reports are that the valuation is apart and there were issues over relegation clauses. Ashley will want maximum sale price and no relegation clause. If he refuses to allow PCP to 'help' in January he essentially puts pressure on PCP to quickly agree to his value and waive relegation clauses so that they can provide funds for investment to reduce the risk of relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A lack of additions in the January window may well be Ashley's way of making PCP come to terms. You mean buy us in time to make their own signings and keep us up? Yeah, so reports are that the valuation is apart and there were issues over relegation clauses. Ashley will want maximum sale price and no relegation clause. If he refuses to allow PCP to 'help' in January he essentially puts pressure on PCP to quickly agree to his value and waive relegation clauses so that they can provide funds for investment to reduce the risk of relegation. I understand the argument but only a buffoon would come up with it in a serious negotiation: "I will offer you 5k for your car" "8k" "Maximum I can do is 6k. Take it or leave it" "8k or I'll fucking crash it against that brick wall" "..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A lack of additions in the January window may well be Ashley's way of making PCP come to terms. You mean buy us in time to make their own signings and keep us up? Yeah, so reports are that the valuation is apart and there were issues over relegation clauses. Ashley will want maximum sale price and no relegation clause. If he refuses to allow PCP to 'help' in January he essentially puts pressure on PCP to quickly agree to his value and waive relegation clauses so that they can provide funds for investment to reduce the risk of relegation. I understand the argument but only a buffoon would come up with it in a serious negotiation: "I will offer you 5k for your car" "8k" "Maximum I can do is 6k. Take it or leave it" "8k or I'll f***ing crash it against that brick wall" "..." The analogy is understandable but doesn't really apply. No/minimal investment in January is risky but it is not akin to smashing the car into the wall. If it is a mechanism to force PCP to terms it may be that investment follows if PCP walk away. At the moment the January window is potentially leverage for Ashley and this may well be a bit of brinksmanship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 It's also worth keeping in mind that each relegation has been overcome relatively easily. It has also given Ashley the opportunity to put his feet further and further under the table as he 'loans' the club money. If TV deals keep on increasing exponentially then there's not a massive rush for Ashley to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfroP Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 the whole takeover thing is an elaborate hoax by ashley to distract fans from the fact that the fat clown wont be spending any money in January on desperately needed new players and to give himself an easy scapegoat should we go down. "it werent me, it were the unsettling buy out news" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 the whole takeover thing is an elaborate hoax by ashley to distract fans from the fact that the fat clown wont be spending any money in January on desperately needed new players and to give himself an easy scapegoat should we go down. "it werent me, it were the unsettling buy out news" Again, what do Staveley and PCP get by going along with this? Other then potentially ruining there brand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Not the car analogies again, we've done that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A lack of additions in the January window may well be Ashley's way of making PCP come to terms. You mean buy us in time to make their own signings and keep us up? Yeah, so reports are that the valuation is apart and there were issues over relegation clauses. Ashley will want maximum sale price and no relegation clause. If he refuses to allow PCP to 'help' in January he essentially puts pressure on PCP to quickly agree to his value and waive relegation clauses so that they can provide funds for investment to reduce the risk of relegation. I understand the argument but only a buffoon would come up with it in a serious negotiation: "I will offer you 5k for your car" "8k" "Maximum I can do is 6k. Take it or leave it" "8k or I'll f***ing crash it against that brick wall" "..." The analogy is understandable but doesn't really apply. No/minimal investment in January is risky but it is not akin to smashing the car into the wall. If it is a mechanism to force PCP to terms it may be that investment follows if PCP walk away. At the moment the January window is potentially leverage for Ashley and this may well be a bit of brinksmanship. I think the analogy works as it is. The club getting relegated will not hurt PCP as they would just walk and buy Southampton or some other club. They don't have a vested, real interest in NUFC yet, like Ashley has. Ashley stands to lose a fortune by not strengthening. Threatening to run the club into the ground to attempt to force someone else to buy it at a higher price is not leverage in my book, it's idiocy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A lack of additions in the January window may well be Ashley's way of making PCP come to terms. You mean buy us in time to make their own signings and keep us up? Yeah, so reports are that the valuation is apart and there were issues over relegation clauses. Ashley will want maximum sale price and no relegation clause. If he refuses to allow PCP to 'help' in January he essentially puts pressure on PCP to quickly agree to his value and waive relegation clauses so that they can provide funds for investment to reduce the risk of relegation. I understand the argument but only a buffoon would come up with it in a serious negotiation: "I will offer you 5k for your car" "8k" "Maximum I can do is 6k. Take it or leave it" "8k or I'll f***ing crash it against that brick wall" "..." The analogy is understandable but doesn't really apply. No/minimal investment in January is risky but it is not akin to smashing the car into the wall. If it is a mechanism to force PCP to terms it may be that investment follows if PCP walk away. At the moment the January window is potentially leverage for Ashley and this may well be a bit of brinksmanship. I think the analogy works as it is. The club getting relegated will not hurt PCP as they would just walk and buy Southampton or some other club. They don't have a vested, real interest in NUFC yet, like Ashley has. Ashley stands to lose a fortune by not strengthening. Threatening to run the club into the ground to attempt to force someone else to buy it at a higher price is not leverage in my book, it's idiocy. it's gambling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 the whole takeover thing is an elaborate hoax by ashley to distract fans from the fact that the fat clown wont be spending any money in January on desperately needed new players and to give himself an easy scapegoat should we go down. "it werent me, it were the unsettling buy out news" Again, what do Staveley and PCP get by going along with this? Other then potentially ruining there brand? Who says Stavely and PCP have to be "in" on it for Ashley to be fooling around without any real intention of selling up though? It's not like Ashley hasn't done this before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A lack of additions in the January window may well be Ashley's way of making PCP come to terms. You mean buy us in time to make their own signings and keep us up? Yeah, so reports are that the valuation is apart and there were issues over relegation clauses. Ashley will want maximum sale price and no relegation clause. If he refuses to allow PCP to 'help' in January he essentially puts pressure on PCP to quickly agree to his value and waive relegation clauses so that they can provide funds for investment to reduce the risk of relegation. I understand the argument but only a buffoon would come up with it in a serious negotiation: "I will offer you 5k for your car" "8k" "Maximum I can do is 6k. Take it or leave it" "8k or I'll f***ing crash it against that brick wall" "..." The analogy is understandable but doesn't really apply. No/minimal investment in January is risky but it is not akin to smashing the car into the wall. If it is a mechanism to force PCP to terms it may be that investment follows if PCP walk away. At the moment the January window is potentially leverage for Ashley and this may well be a bit of brinksmanship. I think the analogy works as it is. The club getting relegated will not hurt PCP as they would just walk and buy Southampton or some other club. They don't have a vested, real interest in NUFC yet, like Ashley has. Ashley stands to lose a fortune by not strengthening. Threatening to run the club into the ground to attempt to force someone else to buy it at a higher price is not leverage in my book, it's idiocy. We clearly represent a specific opportunity that they are interested in. You wouldn't try and buy a club or anything from Mike Ashley unless you were serious about it. Ashley stands to lose a fortune by not strengthening, well yes if the club is relegated and never returns to the premier league he will lose a fortune. This idea that he has to sell now is just untrue though. Even if the club is relegated, lets say we return to the Premier League the next year, how much value has the club lost? To a potential investor we remain the same opportunity as we are now. It may be that the TV deal is more lucrative at that point so we may actually be worth more by default in 2 years time. I'm not saying he doesn't want to sell, I suspect he does but he also wants the price that he wants for the club and I suspect he wants that more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Are you people forgetting that Ashley has said that he wouldn't sell to someone who didn't have the clubs best interests at heart? I'm afraid any delay is probably not down to money, but PCP simply failing to demonstrate enough care in the clubs future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ads Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Are you people forgetting that Ashley has said that he wouldn't sell to someone who didn't have the clubs best interests at heart? I'm afraid any delay is probably not down to money, but PCP simply failing to demonstrate enough care in the clubs future. Imagine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 PCP can simply go to buy Southampton and hire Rafa as their manager. Ashley would be the only one who suffer from the huge relegation loss. Obviously he didn't realise this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 PCP can simply go to buy Southampton and hire Rafa as their manager. Ashley would be the only one who suffer from the huge relegation loss. Obviously he didn't realise this. Southampton have just been sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I'm fearing a Rafa resignation soon tbh. This ain't happening soon enough for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 PCP can simply go to buy Southampton and hire Rafa as their manager. Ashley would be the only one who suffer from the huge relegation loss. Obviously he didn't realise this. Southampton have just been sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I'm fearing a Rafa resignation soon tbh. This ain't happening soon enough for him I cry evrytim :'( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I guess the fact that Rafa is still here might mean he knows something about the situation. If it was off completely I'm not sure if he would see out the season... I guess he might out of honour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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