Vinny Green Balls Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Stifler's musings are worded so interestingly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I do wonder whether all this simply comes down to proof of funds. On at least two separate occasions over the years we've heard that Ashley demands proposed buyers to put up some actual cash before taking things any further. Why he would expect this to be entertained I'm not quite sure, but if it's his way of doing things then maybe it's as simple as that. AS has submitted bids, but Ashley doesn't believe they're genuine? That's something that could be resolved surely? Far more likely for my money that he just doesn't want to sell and just doesn't even enter into negations. Reading between the lines there he's only ever told her what he disliked about her offers but never actually made a counter offer of any sort, something that her side could work with. Of course, putting a counter offer in carries the risk that the other side match it and you would then have to actually sell the asset. Just a further point on this: Seems they've never been convinced AS is serious, bids or not. Why? Douglas works for NCJ Media, being negative unless he’s the one to get the big scoop is how they roll. The other guy is an out and out cunt and has never had sex in case it brought him pleasure. Big claim about 'the other guy' there, skidmark. For all you know, he could be a poster on here.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The way I read it is that she's tried every possible combination to buy the club in line with her valuation and taking into account future risks. All her offers are sensible and I am inclined to believe she has acted in good will. End of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I do wonder whether all this simply comes down to proof of funds. On at least two separate occasions over the years we've heard that Ashley demands proposed buyers to put up some actual cash before taking things any further. Why he would expect this to be entertained I'm not quite sure, but if it's his way of doing things then maybe it's as simple as that. AS has submitted bids, but Ashley doesn't believe they're genuine? That's something that could be resolved surely? Far more likely for my money that he just doesn't want to sell and just doesn't even enter into negations. Reading between the lines there he's only ever told her what he disliked about her offers but never actually made a counter offer of any sort, something that her side could work with. Of course, putting a counter offer in carries the risk that the other side match it and you would then have to actually sell the asset. Just a further point on this: Seems they've never been convinced AS is serious, bids or not. Why? Douglas works for NCJ Media, being negative unless he’s the one to get the big scoop is how they roll. The other guy is an out and out cunt and has never had sex in case it brought him pleasure. Big claim about 'the other guy' there, skidmark. For all you know, he could be a poster on here.... I’ll watch my mailbox carefully then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I do wonder whether all this simply comes down to proof of funds. On at least two separate occasions over the years we've heard that Ashley demands proposed buyers to put up some actual cash before taking things any further. Why he would expect this to be entertained I'm not quite sure, but if it's his way of doing things then maybe it's as simple as that. AS has submitted bids, but Ashley doesn't believe they're genuine? That's something that could be resolved surely? Far more likely for my money that he just doesn't want to sell and just doesn't even enter into negations. Reading between the lines there he's only ever told her what he disliked about her offers but never actually made a counter offer of any sort, something that her side could work with. Of course, putting a counter offer in carries the risk that the other side match it and you would then have to actually sell the asset. Just a further point on this: Seems they've never been convinced AS is serious, bids or not. Why? Douglas works for NCJ Media, being negative unless he’s the one to get the big scoop is how they roll. The other guy is an out and out cunt and has never had sex in case it brought him pleasure. Big claim about 'the other guy' there, skidmark. For all you know, he could be a poster on here.... I’ll watch my mailbox carefully then. That what the kids calling it these days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Day Gadgie Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Well, at the very least she knows how to say the right things, which is more than that fat toad has managed to do in 11 years. She clearly sees the potential of the club and it’s importance to the City of Newcastle. I still think this takeover will happen, but it will probably be long and agonising for us fans unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Unless Ashley reduces his asking price I think this is dead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I do wonder whether all this simply comes down to proof of funds. On at least two separate occasions over the years we've heard that Ashley demands proposed buyers to put up some actual cash before taking things any further. Why he would expect this to be entertained I'm not quite sure, but if it's his way of doing things then maybe it's as simple as that. AS has submitted bids, but Ashley doesn't believe they're genuine? That's something that could be resolved surely? Far more likely for my money that he just doesn't want to sell and just doesn't even enter into negations. Reading between the lines there he's only ever told her what he disliked about her offers but never actually made a counter offer of any sort, something that her side could work with. Of course, putting a counter offer in carries the risk that the other side match it and you would then have to actually sell the asset. Just a further point on this: Seems they've never been convinced AS is serious, bids or not. Why? Douglas works for NCJ Media, being negative unless he’s the one to get the big scoop is how they roll. The other guy is an out and out c*** and has never had sex in case it brought him pleasure. Big claim about 'the other guy' there, skidmark. For all you know, he could be a poster on here.... I’ll watch my mailbox carefully then. GM ain't gonna PM He already shot you a warning sucka. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Unless Ashley reduces his asking price I think this is dead. Aye Now it's all in the public domain though it's a good chance to start ratcheting up the pressure on Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Sorry for formatting, on my tablet top man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 fucking hell. Fat Mike should have taken up the 1st bid. That would have allowed us to invest in this transfer window to avoid relegation and he'd get his remaining money no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Chibas Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The way I read it is that she's tried every possible combination to buy the club in line with her valuation and taking into account future risks. All her offers are sensible and I am inclined to believe she has acted in good will. End of. Binding the HMRC investigation to the clauses, therefore holding Ashley accountable beyond the completion of the season (if relegation is avoided), is entirely justified. They need to cover their arse, beyond the current campaign, depending how serious the investigation becomes. My reading, Ashley is attempting to skip town, free from any liability (as a result of the club's alleged practices, under his watch). The guy has some cheek. I'd say the Champions League clause was the only one which remotely interested him. A $50m backslap for him if the club fulfilled it's potential, a position which Ashley has no interest in attaining. It's a nice pay-off to receive, off the back of your successor's hard work (and future investment into a rundown asset). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 As far as I can tell from this link, the most severe penalty HMRC can issue is a fine of 200% of the tax due which in our case would be £10m iirc. That's the worst case scenario from that side of things anyway, i'm not sure how you'd write a clause covering FA penalties like points deductions (which seem fairly unlikely anyway). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Wonder what would happen if she say here's £350 million that you wanted you fat, tight cockney b******. Take it and run. Would he take it? That would really reveal whether he really wanted to sell us or keep portraying his lying self. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The way I read it is that she's tried every possible combination to buy the club in line with her valuation and taking into account future risks. All her offers are sensible and I am inclined to believe she has acted in good will. End of. Binding the HMRC investigation to the clauses, therefore holding Ashley accountable beyond the completion of the season (if relegation is avoided), is entirely justified. They need to cover their arse, beyond the current campaign, depending how serious the investigation becomes. My reading, Ashley is attempting to skip town, free from any liability (as a result of the club's alleged practices, under his watch). The guy has some cheek. I'd say the Champions League clause was the only one which remotely interested him. A $50m backslap for him if the club fulfilled it's potential, a position which Ashley has no interest in attaining. It's a nice pay-off to receive, off the back of your successor's hard work (and future investment into a rundown asset). I wonder what the relegation penalty clause was in that £350m second bid. That seems pretty much everything he wanted assuming it's not too onerous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 As far as I can tell from this link, the most severe penalty HMRC can issue is a fine of 200% of the tax due which in our case would be £10m iirc. That's the worst case scenario from that side of things anyway, i'm not sure how you'd write a clause covering FA penalties like points deductions (which seem fairly unlikely anyway). 10 Million tax @ 200% on a 100 miilion business seems cheap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 As far as I can tell from this link, the most severe penalty HMRC can issue is a fine of 200% of the tax due which in our case would be £10m iirc. That's the worst case scenario from that side of things anyway, i'm not sure how you'd write a clause covering FA penalties like points deductions (which seem fairly unlikely anyway). 10 Million tax @ 200% on a 100 miilion business seems cheap It's just based on the tax we didn't pay, not the whole lot. The papers said we'd avoided £5m of tax fraudulently so they could fine us 200% of £5m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Chibas Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Wonder what would happen if she say here's £350 million that you wanted you fat, tight cockney b******. Take it and run. Would he take it? That would really reveal whether he really wanted to sell us or keep portraying his lying self. 300m upfront (eliminating the financial risk attributed to relegation, and any penalties associated with HRMC.... also factoring in the FA, if they wish to set a precedent) with the remaining 50m payable upon Champions League qualification would be interesting also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 This is agonising. We’re so close to getting rid of him. I don’t think this story is over yet though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Wouldn't be at all surprised if his final act was to agree to sell on transfer window closing day just to see us panic till the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Wouldn't be at all surprised if his final act was to agree to sell on transfer window closing day just to see us panic till the end of the season. Fine by me. I just want him gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Chibas Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 As far as I can tell from this link, the most severe penalty HMRC can issue is a fine of 200% of the tax due which in our case would be £10m iirc. That's the worst case scenario from that side of things anyway, i'm not sure how you'd write a clause covering FA penalties like points deductions (which seem fairly unlikely anyway). Hypothetical musing, based on a worse case scenario ie. points penalty (lets say 10 points). Listed point tally, taking into account a penalty and which ever season it effects is levelled off against the actual tally based purely on results. If a ten point penalty cancels out the results based tally, dropping the club into bottom three and the next division....... then Ashley cops the full brunt of the relegation clause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Wonder what would happen if she say here's £350 million that you wanted you fat, tight cockney b******. Take it and run. Would he take it? That would really reveal whether he really wanted to sell us or keep portraying his lying self. He would probably say ‘The price is now £400m’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Wonder what would happen if she say here's £350 million that you wanted you fat, tight cockney b******. Take it and run. Would he take it? That would really reveal whether he really wanted to sell us or keep portraying his lying self. He would probably say ‘The price is now £400m’ Daft thing is if he may be able to get around that figure if he was prepared to accept a few clauses if they did bid 350 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just catching up on all last night's fun and games, no real surprises in Ashley being economonical with the truth again I see. Does this interview with Caulkin not put her in clear breach of the NDA though, or is the thinking that he's already done that by briefing Sky Sports? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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