Darth Crooks Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Ashley goes but Rafa goes too. Sophie's choice that. Sophie can fuck off then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 What version of reality am I in whereby I'm on a football forum and have to open a new tab to learn what a Hegelian dialectic is?? Hell, i'm glad i wasn't the only one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Tough one: Scenario 1: Ashley sells, but a CL club comes in for Rafa and he's off too Scenario 2: Ashley doesn't sell, but Rafa stays What would you choose? I love Rafa and he's our best hope for success, but as this is hypothetical. Ashley gone would top anything else. Yeah, that would be my knee-jerk answer. But as has been said, we won't get anyone better than Rafa. If he would commit long-term (i.e sign a new contract) and get, say the transfer money that McClaren got, the future would look bright. Potentially Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 It is the hope that kills you. See, I'm expecting an Ashley window. I've decided a takeover is too much to hope for, so I'm setting my sights lower. I'm hoping that somewhere in the region of the £50-80m previously mentioned is made available for Rafa. I'm hoping that will cover Kenedy, a decent starting striker and another starter (AM? RW?). After that, we can sell players (that Rafa approves of selling, like Mitro) to fund other upgrades. It shouldn't be too much to hope for - there are many who would say there is no hope under Ashley. The sales is the big one - if there is a £40m bid for Lascelles it is entirely conceivable that Ashley would accept it before asking Rafa. You'd hope that Rafa would argue that he's irreplaceable and that £40m is not enough if he got the chance (and Ashley might be swayed by that). In the worst case, you'd hope Rafa can find another gem like Lejeune. Oh, and the small matter of hoping Rafa doesn't walk over a sale against his will. Back to hoping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 If there's no takeover then I'm afraid, ruing negativity, the can is kicked down the road - a decade of Rafa at Newcastle and Ashley's methods is a paradox. I want to enjoy things whilst they are good and am but objectively you have to be worried. Bit shit really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Little Waster Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Ashley isnt going anywhere , he will look to get Jamal away for £££ Rafa will leave ... Just accept reality now rather than later Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Cheery post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Ashley isnt going anywhere , he will look to get Jamal away for £££ Rafa will leave ... Just accept reality now rather than later That's two terrible posts, now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Ashley isnt going anywhere , he will look to get Jamal away for £££ Rafa will leave ... Just accept reality now rather than later That's two terrible posts, now. One of the admin needs to change that user name to The Little Wa**er Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I think the whole Wenger thing actually strengthens Rafa's 'play'. We know he is a great political player and strategist, for want of a better phrase. I think Rafa will use this news to bolster his own position here. A few carefully phrased words to make it clear his loyalty is with us BUT that the owner must back him and show same ambition etc. All this against the backdrop of safety, a decent league finish, takeover rumours that are still floating about and an owner who is either going to have to put up or shut up/shove off. I trust Rafa to play this well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 My fear is that Rafa does hold all the cards, nothing guarantees premier league money like rafa does, he keeps players here and attracts players to us and if he goes the fans will revolt again, probably worse than ever before. This all looks good for rafa getting a deal but knowing Ashley I think he will loath being in such a poor negotiating position and instead will see it as some kind of macho show of strength to ditch Rafa just because he can and hire another yes man. (that's just my paranoia mind, I kinda think Rafa will stay) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I think the whole Wenger thing actually strengthens Rafa's 'play'. We know he is a great political player and strategist, for want of a better phrase. I think Rafa will use this news to bolster his own position here. A few carefully phrased words to make it clear his loyalty is with us BUT that the owner must back him and show same ambition etc. All this against the backdrop of safety, a decent league finish, takeover rumours that are still floating about and an owner who is either going to have to put up or shut up/shove off. I trust Rafa to play this well. My thoughts as well. Rafa is already playing it perfectly in my opinion, he's not committing to anything until he gets some guarantees but now Ashleys words aren't enough, so he's waiting to see where we are after the window. He's started something here and I think he will want to carry it on as long as he doesn't get fucked over again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Ashley isnt going anywhere , he will look to get Jamal away for £££ Rafa will leave ... Just accept reality now rather than later That's two terrible posts, now. It's just a defence mechanism TBF, never hope and Ashley can't get you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 What version of reality am I in whereby I'm on a football forum and have to open a new tab to learn what a Hegelian dialectic is?? Hell, i'm glad i wasn't the only one! Haydn must have an IQ of 120 to know that shit at 17. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 He'll never get his leg over with that kind of talk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Day Gadgie Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Ashley isnt going anywhere , he will look to get Jamal away for £££ Rafa will leave ... Just accept reality now rather than later That's two terrible posts, now. He's absolutely right though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 said it a while back- if we are safe- he will add a years Tv money to the price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Shocker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Well there’s a surprise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 And so it begins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 That’s not as unreasonable as I was expecting, to be fair. Just back up to his original price isn’t it? Obviously nobody will pay that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Bye Rafa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 What do people think we're worth at this point in time? With rafa and our current position I'd say 350m, based on nowt but my cluelessness on the matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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