manorpark Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Man City being kicked out of Europe would make absolutely no difference to any takeover (if it was even happening). First scenario means Man City have to start getting rid of players so it then gives every other team a chance to catch them and as Liverpool shows a well run club doing it properly can do enough to get to the top. Second scenario and most likely Man City take UEFA to court and win destroying the whole financial fair play farce once and for all so again another win win for any potential owner. And bare in mind this investigation has been going on by UEFA for ages so any would be owner would have been aware of it. Completely agree with all of that, well said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Yimentov Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I hope Mike is frugal this summer just to be on the safe side. Don’t want to end up like City. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Even if we were about to become one of the super rich (it's kinda heartening that people still believe this I suppose but it ain't happening, Ashley will never ever make a reasonable, sensible decision) we should applaud this decision as even a minor hurt to the league as it is, which is shit. Some teams have a lot of money compete for the title, everyone else just competes for bragging rights and nothing else. It is absurd, the quality of the premier league this season by any metric has been shocking and if viewing figures were based on merit alone noone in their right mind would be watching it this season. It won't make a difference anyway but still, the idea that this much money is good for football remains terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 That whole curry night was the most blatant setup I've seen. The more I think about it, the more certain I am that Staveley isn't what she seems. It's the only thing that makes any sense really. I think scepticism is healthy where this club and takeover rumours are concerned, and I also think where she is concerned. Ashley being impossible to buy from makes a lot of sense too TBF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 That whole curry night was the most blatant setup I've seen. The more I think about it, the more certain I am that Staveley isn't what she seems. It's the only thing that makes any sense really. I think scepticism is healthy where this club and takeover rumours are concerned, and I also think where she is concerned. Remember that Barry moat was also a setup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Barry Moat ffs. That was like the Fisher Price ‘My First Fakeover’ starter kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 That whole curry night was the most blatant setup I've seen. The more I think about it, the more certain I am that Staveley isn't what she seems. It's the only thing that makes any sense really. I think scepticism is healthy where this club and takeover rumours are concerned, and I also think where she is concerned. Ashley being impossible to buy from makes a lot of sense too TBF. unless i'm mistaken she brokered the man city deal no? i'm sure she's gone from that to willingly playing games for mike ashley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Big difference in that man city owner had to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Fucking conspiracy theorists here need to seek help or other hobbies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Pundit Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Bah! https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1237437/Saudi-Arabia-news-MBS-Mohammad-bin-Salman-Newcastle-United-takeover-human-rights F*cking do-gooders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Pundit Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Oh, and: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8005585/AHEAD-GAME-Mike-Ashleys-links-Qatar-threaten-Newcastles-Saudi-takeover.html Like the fat c*nt needs any excuses to f*ck a deal up... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Even if they did take over, UEFA have pretty much stopped any hopes of becoming a long term elite club. Fine. I just want this club out of the coma its been in for 13years first. Besides we've got a lot of natural potential to be re unleashed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Even if they did take over, UEFA have pretty much stopped any hopes of becoming a long term elite club. Fine. I just want this club out of the coma its been in for 13years first. Besides we've got a lot of natural potential to be re unleashed. At best, without ‘doing a City’ we’d become a 5th-8th placed club with the odd top 4 finish and cup run. I know we’d die for that given the last 13 years but that’s not competition. You can’t organically become a title contender. Spurs have been the closest to do it but even if they won one title, they were hardly going to be regular contenders. It’ll just be Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, then the rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Bah! https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1237437/Saudi-Arabia-news-MBS-Mohammad-bin-Salman-Newcastle-United-takeover-human-rights F*cking do-gooders Oh, and: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8005585/AHEAD-GAME-Mike-Ashleys-links-Qatar-threaten-Newcastles-Saudi-takeover.html Like the fat c*nt needs any excuses to f*ck a deal up... The Express and Daily Mail. Mate you need to change where you’re getting your news from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Even if they did take over, UEFA have pretty much stopped any hopes of becoming a long term elite club. Fine. I just want this club out of the coma its been in for 13years first. Besides we've got a lot of natural potential to be re unleashed. At best, without ‘doing a City’ we’d become a 5th-8th placed club with the odd top 4 finish and cup run. I know we’d die for that given the last 13 years but that’s not competition. You can’t organically become a title contender. Spurs have been the closest to do it but even if they won one title, they were hardly going to be regular contenders. It’ll just be Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, then the rest. The fact that Liverpool haven't won the league for 30 years kind of disputes your entire argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandamninator Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Even if they did take over, UEFA have pretty much stopped any hopes of becoming a long term elite club. Fine. I just want this club out of the coma its been in for 13years first. Besides we've got a lot of natural potential to be re unleashed. At best, without ‘doing a City’ we’d become a 5th-8th placed club with the odd top 4 finish and cup run. I know we’d die for that given the last 13 years but that’s not competition. You can’t organically become a title contender. Spurs have been the closest to do it but even if they won one title, they were hardly going to be regular contenders. It’ll just be Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, then the rest. The fact that Liverpool haven't won the league for 30 years kind of disputes your entire argument. Liverpool still had that built in fan base both domestically and internationally thanks to the 70s/80s, plus those trophy winning teams under Houllier and Rafa. The Americans they have currently were just the first ones who had the nouse and the ability to tap into that properly and get the commercial side of things in order, but even when they were run by morons they were still among the richest clubs. We could've been one of the clubs benefiting from FFP as well - we had a 15 year head start on Spurs, but the latter stages of the Halls/Sheppards hobbled us and Ashley put a bullet in the head of that ever happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Even if they did take over, UEFA have pretty much stopped any hopes of becoming a long term elite club. Fine. I just want this club out of the coma its been in for 13years first. Besides we've got a lot of natural potential to be re unleashed. At best, without ‘doing a City’ we’d become a 5th-8th placed club with the odd top 4 finish and cup run. I know we’d die for that given the last 13 years but that’s not competition. You can’t organically become a title contender. Spurs have been the closest to do it but even if they won one title, they were hardly going to be regular contenders. It’ll just be Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, then the rest. The fact that Liverpool haven't won the league for 30 years kind of disputes your entire argument. If Man City and Chelsea hasn’t spent to get where they are, there’s a good chance they’d have won a few more in that time which proves my theory correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Staveley lowballed originally as there was a real chance of relegation at the time and her bids reflected that: £250m cash no clauses. £300m - £200m paid up front and 2 X £50m to be laid later, but not payable if relegated. £350m - various relegation and future success clauses. Can't remember split. Not saying Staveley was wrong to offer that, it was probably fair due to the risk but can understand why Ashley rejected and as we're now talking £350m cash buy, looks like his gamble paid off (if he were to actually sell of course ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Big difference in that man city owner had to sell. what does that have to do with the point i made nees? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Yimentov Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 You can still spend your way to the top of football. You can spend your way to the top of anywhere. I'm amazed that City have even received a punishment to be honest. I thought they'd be keeping the right people sweet. PSG are obviously keeping up with the cheques. If the Saudi government buy a club - us or anyone else - they'll be abe to do whatever the hell they want. They'll violate FFP for fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Maybe we'll get banned from Europe for a couple of years when they investigate Mikes overspend on NUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Liverpool have had some brilliant results from good scouting as well the money they have made on transfers is incredible, Sterling, Suarez, coutinho, torres, benteke brought in over 300 million Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonjam88 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Maybe we'll get banned from Europe for a couple of years when they investigate Mikes overspend on NUFC What if they do it the other way and put us in the Champions League due to our underspending ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Liverpool have had some brilliant results from good scouting as well the money they have made on transfers is incredible, Sterling, Suarez, coutinho, torres, benteke brought in over 300 million They spent around 100m getting those 5 players in though, and have spent over 30m on at least 10 different players, including a 53m, a 56m, a 75m. They’re certainly not scouting geniuses- most of the time, they just pay the going rate. For every transfer success they have, they also have Aquilani, Keane, Markovic, Downing, etc etc where they’ve spent big money and received little in return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Liverpool’s transfer hits just happen to have developed into some of the best players in the world and are able to consistently perform at every stage. That’s the difference. They couple that with a world class manager and the ground swell picks up. Add in they don’t settle and continue to push. It’s about time people stop pointing fingers and just accept it for what it is. Liverpool were purchased by highly intelligent and ambitious people and over several years they’ve learned from their mistakes, built up incredible revenue streams to fund investment on and off pitch and are fully deserved in where they are today. Simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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