SteV Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 i'm not convinced we'd have been that much better off at this stage under rafa, end of the season a different story In fairness we'd only have to be one win better off to be fifth, so perhaps you could justifiably claim "top 7" or something along those lines. It just baffles me how many folk seem to take someone saying Bruce has done 'alright' or 'ok' as them saying 'he's better than Rafa'. Bizarre. Do Luke Edwards and Mark Douglas need to make it even more obvious for you to get it? You do realise that they (particularly Douglas) were actually massively pro-Rafa? I know Edwards has been weirdly OTT in his defense of Bruce so far this season, but again i'll come back to the point that so many find hard to grasp - if you're pro-Bruce (or even fairly neutral) that does not make you anti-Rafa. Clearly, i'm wasting my time pointing that out to some on here tho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 They're pro whatever is happening, that allows them to continue to fill the paper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 SteVe Bruce. So obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 i'm not convinced we'd have been that much better off at this stage under rafa, end of the season a different story In fairness we'd only have to be one win better off to be fifth, so perhaps you could justifiably claim "top 7" or something along those lines. It just baffles me how many folk seem to take someone saying Bruce has done 'alright' or 'ok' as them saying 'he's better than Rafa'. Bizarre. Do Luke Edwards and Mark Douglas need to make it even more obvious for you to get it? You do realise that they (particularly Douglas) were actually massively pro-Rafa? He’s been the opposite since this PR drive by the club to ruin his reputation. Mark Douglas has been putting out articles saying Rafa Benitez tried to leave multiple times mid-season when he’s never left a club mid season to join someone else in his life. They said he rejected multiple offers when he was here but now they’re saying he tried to leave multiple times it’s obvious why they’re putting out articles in The Chronicle like that. Why put them out now? It’s obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 It stinks of Mike Ashley, Lee Charnley, Keith Bishop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Ah, of course. The Keith Bishop controls everybody and everything theory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Ah, of course. The Keith Bishop controls everybody and everything theory. Ashley and his cronies certainly control Steve Bruce. One thing you'll never hear from wor Steve is any demand to challenge for top six like Rafa did. That was why Rafa left ultimately, because he wasn't content to be leader of a club where the sole ambition was to avoid relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Perhaps, but that's a separate point entirely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I don't believe Bishop has much influence, he doesn't need to. The idiots in the local press just need to pretend Newcastle are a functioning club and talk about day-to-day issues, because it's what fills the paper and it's what they're capable of writing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoreboard82 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 We're doing surprisingly well and so credit where credit's due. What annoys me is that some almost have a 'See, we're better off with Bruce than Rafa' attitude. Only Rafa knows why he ultimately left and no doubt money was a big factor but i don't believe he was given any real incentive to hang around. Having seen the way previous managers have been treat here, Keegan, Hughton, Rafa, we're left with a managers job no credible manager wants to touch. That's why we're left with someone like Bruce, who is in my opinion someone simply prepared to take the job rather than being a manager of choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Give it another season or two, the Toon Army will turn on him quicker than they did Pards! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Give it another season or two, the Toon Army will turn on him quicker than they did Pards! I already hate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I don’t hate him oddly enough, he’s just a shit manager who will do a shit job. I can’t comment now as I’ve not seen them play under him. Points to games ratio is decent to be fair though and their position in the table. Wait until the 8-10 game no win streak kicks in though with a few heavy thumpings in between, hopefully starting against Man City. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 We're doing surprisingly well and so credit where credit's due. What annoys me is that some almost have a 'See, we're better off with Bruce than Rafa' attitude. Only Rafa knows why he ultimately left and no doubt money was a big factor but i don't believe he was given any real incentive to hang around. Having seen the way previous managers have been treat here, Keegan, Hughton, Rafa, we're left with a managers job no credible manager wants to touch. That's why we're left with someone like Bruce, who is in my opinion someone simply prepared to take the job rather than being a manager of choice. Rafa left for the same reason as Keegan, he saw Newcastle as a huge club which should be challenging for honours. He was even prepared to build slowly towards that position, but in the end he realised that Ashley simply wanted to run the club on the cheap and avoid relegation. This led directly to Rafa leaving and Bruce coming in, because Bruce would happily drift along in 15th with his 'beloved home club' and call it a good job. I don't think there's any doubt why Rafa left, he was fairly open and vocal that he wanted us to move on to bigger things because we should be a big club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 We're doing surprisingly well and so credit where credit's due. What annoys me is that some almost have a 'See, we're better off with Bruce than Rafa' attitude. Only Rafa knows why he ultimately left and no doubt money was a big factor but i don't believe he was given any real incentive to hang around. Having seen the way previous managers have been treat here, Keegan, Hughton, Rafa, we're left with a managers job no credible manager wants to touch. That's why we're left with someone like Bruce, who is in my opinion someone simply prepared to take the job rather than being a manager of choice. Rafa left for the same reason as Keegan, he saw Newcastle as a huge club which should be challenging for honours. He was even prepared to build slowly towards that position, but in the end he realised that Ashley simply wanted to run the club on the cheap and avoid relegation. This led directly to Rafa leaving and Bruce coming in, because Bruce would happily drift along in 15th with his 'beloved home club' and call it a good job. I don't think there's any doubt why Rafa left, he was fairly open and vocal that he wanted us to move on to bigger things because we should be a big club. Most of the Toon Army would be happy with 15th every season under Bruce’s expansive football... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 The players will soon look to follow Rafa... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNGLEGIONNAIRE Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 What annoys me is that some almost have a 'See, we're better off with Bruce than Rafa' attitude. This viewpoint is becoming depressingly more prevalent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 We're doing surprisingly well and so credit where credit's due. What annoys me is that some almost have a 'See, we're better off with Bruce than Rafa' attitude. Only Rafa knows why he ultimately left and no doubt money was a big factor but i don't believe he was given any real incentive to hang around. Having seen the way previous managers have been treat here, Keegan, Hughton, Rafa, we're left with a managers job no credible manager wants to touch. That's why we're left with someone like Bruce, who is in my opinion someone simply prepared to take the job rather than being a manager of choice. Rafa left for the same reason as Keegan, he saw Newcastle as a huge club which should be challenging for honours. He was even prepared to build slowly towards that position, but in the end he realised that Ashley simply wanted to run the club on the cheap and avoid relegation. This led directly to Rafa leaving and Bruce coming in, because Bruce would happily drift along in 15th with his 'beloved home club' and call it a good job. I don't think there's any doubt why Rafa left, he was fairly open and vocal that he wanted us to move on to bigger things because we should be a big club. Most of the Toon Army would be happy with 15th every season under Bruce’s expansive football... It does seem like that. I never used to think we had such a low opinion of ourselves as a football city but I guess I was wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 The players will soon look to follow Rafa... Why would they? They get paid tens of thousands of pounds a week to play Premier League football, regardless of who the manager is. Players leave football clubs if the move suits them, i.e. cos they'll get more money/more glory/more chance of an international call-up. They don't leave out of principle re the board's handling of managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 It’s only ever into the following season that a new managers style/plan/tactics or whatever, translate into the team. He’ll get found out then I’m sure. But for this season it feels like am still watching a Benitez team so I’ve been enjoying it more than I thought I would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espio Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 It’s only ever into the following season that a new managers style/plan/tactics or whatever, translate into the team. He’ll get found out then I’m sure. But for this season it feels like am still watching a Benitez team so I’ve been enjoying it more than I thought I would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 It’s only ever into the following season that a new managers style/plan/tactics or whatever, translate into the team. He’ll get found out then I’m sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 That's a load of horsehit like, it suggest McClaren's tactics got us promoted. Or is this one of those things that doesn't get applied consistently? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 That's a load of horsehit like, it suggest McClaren's tactics got us promoted. Or is this one of those things that doesn't get applied consistently? No it suggests after a longer period of time you get a more true reflection. We saw constant progression over 3 years points wise under Rafa Benitez, will we under Bruce? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Change manager each year and it'll be like Rafa never left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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