TRon Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Ah, of course. The Keith Bishop controls everybody and everything theory. Ashley and his cronies certainly control Steve Bruce. One thing you'll never hear from wor Steve is any demand to challenge for top six like Rafa did. That was why Rafa left ultimately, because he wasn't content to be leader of a club where the sole ambition was to avoid relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Perhaps, but that's a separate point entirely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I don't believe Bishop has much influence, he doesn't need to. The idiots in the local press just need to pretend Newcastle are a functioning club and talk about day-to-day issues, because it's what fills the paper and it's what they're capable of writing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoreboard82 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 We're doing surprisingly well and so credit where credit's due. What annoys me is that some almost have a 'See, we're better off with Bruce than Rafa' attitude. Only Rafa knows why he ultimately left and no doubt money was a big factor but i don't believe he was given any real incentive to hang around. Having seen the way previous managers have been treat here, Keegan, Hughton, Rafa, we're left with a managers job no credible manager wants to touch. That's why we're left with someone like Bruce, who is in my opinion someone simply prepared to take the job rather than being a manager of choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Give it another season or two, the Toon Army will turn on him quicker than they did Pards! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Give it another season or two, the Toon Army will turn on him quicker than they did Pards! I already hate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I don’t hate him oddly enough, he’s just a shit manager who will do a shit job. I can’t comment now as I’ve not seen them play under him. Points to games ratio is decent to be fair though and their position in the table. Wait until the 8-10 game no win streak kicks in though with a few heavy thumpings in between, hopefully starting against Man City. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 We're doing surprisingly well and so credit where credit's due. What annoys me is that some almost have a 'See, we're better off with Bruce than Rafa' attitude. Only Rafa knows why he ultimately left and no doubt money was a big factor but i don't believe he was given any real incentive to hang around. Having seen the way previous managers have been treat here, Keegan, Hughton, Rafa, we're left with a managers job no credible manager wants to touch. That's why we're left with someone like Bruce, who is in my opinion someone simply prepared to take the job rather than being a manager of choice. Rafa left for the same reason as Keegan, he saw Newcastle as a huge club which should be challenging for honours. He was even prepared to build slowly towards that position, but in the end he realised that Ashley simply wanted to run the club on the cheap and avoid relegation. This led directly to Rafa leaving and Bruce coming in, because Bruce would happily drift along in 15th with his 'beloved home club' and call it a good job. I don't think there's any doubt why Rafa left, he was fairly open and vocal that he wanted us to move on to bigger things because we should be a big club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 We're doing surprisingly well and so credit where credit's due. What annoys me is that some almost have a 'See, we're better off with Bruce than Rafa' attitude. Only Rafa knows why he ultimately left and no doubt money was a big factor but i don't believe he was given any real incentive to hang around. Having seen the way previous managers have been treat here, Keegan, Hughton, Rafa, we're left with a managers job no credible manager wants to touch. That's why we're left with someone like Bruce, who is in my opinion someone simply prepared to take the job rather than being a manager of choice. Rafa left for the same reason as Keegan, he saw Newcastle as a huge club which should be challenging for honours. He was even prepared to build slowly towards that position, but in the end he realised that Ashley simply wanted to run the club on the cheap and avoid relegation. This led directly to Rafa leaving and Bruce coming in, because Bruce would happily drift along in 15th with his 'beloved home club' and call it a good job. I don't think there's any doubt why Rafa left, he was fairly open and vocal that he wanted us to move on to bigger things because we should be a big club. Most of the Toon Army would be happy with 15th every season under Bruce’s expansive football... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 The players will soon look to follow Rafa... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YNGLEGIONNAIRE Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 What annoys me is that some almost have a 'See, we're better off with Bruce than Rafa' attitude. This viewpoint is becoming depressingly more prevalent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 We're doing surprisingly well and so credit where credit's due. What annoys me is that some almost have a 'See, we're better off with Bruce than Rafa' attitude. Only Rafa knows why he ultimately left and no doubt money was a big factor but i don't believe he was given any real incentive to hang around. Having seen the way previous managers have been treat here, Keegan, Hughton, Rafa, we're left with a managers job no credible manager wants to touch. That's why we're left with someone like Bruce, who is in my opinion someone simply prepared to take the job rather than being a manager of choice. Rafa left for the same reason as Keegan, he saw Newcastle as a huge club which should be challenging for honours. He was even prepared to build slowly towards that position, but in the end he realised that Ashley simply wanted to run the club on the cheap and avoid relegation. This led directly to Rafa leaving and Bruce coming in, because Bruce would happily drift along in 15th with his 'beloved home club' and call it a good job. I don't think there's any doubt why Rafa left, he was fairly open and vocal that he wanted us to move on to bigger things because we should be a big club. Most of the Toon Army would be happy with 15th every season under Bruce’s expansive football... It does seem like that. I never used to think we had such a low opinion of ourselves as a football city but I guess I was wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 The players will soon look to follow Rafa... Why would they? They get paid tens of thousands of pounds a week to play Premier League football, regardless of who the manager is. Players leave football clubs if the move suits them, i.e. cos they'll get more money/more glory/more chance of an international call-up. They don't leave out of principle re the board's handling of managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 It’s only ever into the following season that a new managers style/plan/tactics or whatever, translate into the team. He’ll get found out then I’m sure. But for this season it feels like am still watching a Benitez team so I’ve been enjoying it more than I thought I would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espio Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 It’s only ever into the following season that a new managers style/plan/tactics or whatever, translate into the team. He’ll get found out then I’m sure. But for this season it feels like am still watching a Benitez team so I’ve been enjoying it more than I thought I would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 It’s only ever into the following season that a new managers style/plan/tactics or whatever, translate into the team. He’ll get found out then I’m sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 That's a load of horsehit like, it suggest McClaren's tactics got us promoted. Or is this one of those things that doesn't get applied consistently? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 That's a load of horsehit like, it suggest McClaren's tactics got us promoted. Or is this one of those things that doesn't get applied consistently? No it suggests after a longer period of time you get a more true reflection. We saw constant progression over 3 years points wise under Rafa Benitez, will we under Bruce? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Change manager each year and it'll be like Rafa never left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 That's a load of horsehit like, it suggest McClaren's tactics got us promoted. Or is this one of those things that doesn't get applied consistently? No, but if a manager takes over a well drilled team and doesn't change it (Like Bruce tried to do) they can coast off the previous managers good work for a while. Same principle applies to new manger bounce when they take over a team doing badly. Dalglish after Keegan too. Made a couple of tweaks (Elliott for Ginola being a surprisingly successful one for instance) and while we improved end of that season, he couldn’t improve it. Souness for a while after Robson had a decent run before the shit set in...I see the same here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 That's a load of horsehit like, it suggest McClaren's tactics got us promoted. Or is this one of those things that doesn't get applied consistently? No, but if a manager takes over a well drilled team and doesn't change it (Like Bruce tried to do) they can coast off the previous managers good work for a while. Same principle applies to new manger bounce when they take over a team doing badly. Dalglish after Keegan too. Made a couple of tweaks (Elliott for Ginola being a surprisingly successful one for instance) and while we improved end of that season, he couldn’t improve it. Souness for a while after Robson had a decent run before the shit set in...I see the same here. Also with Bruce and Dalglish. They took over a team that wasn't in bad form etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 The problem will be when Bruce has to buy and coach a keeper and defenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Yak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Fuck off chimp mitts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Yak He's such a sad, pathetic, cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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