wormy Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 https://twitter.com/moneymikeashley/status/1318573524873842690?s=21 Couldn't even be arsed to listen to him. I was just so taken in by Kenny looking like an awkward schoolchild through that whole clip. Gormless grin n'all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 It shows a basic lack of understanding about football. Not even up for debate. I find this an interesting comment because if you want to accuse someone of that, I would have to argue that it's possible that you yourself are guilty of this. You maintained last season that 'Bruce was doing ok'. I think many people would say that what happened last season was in spite of Bruce and not because of him. That's gleaned from many years of watching football (and personal experience with Pardew) Some people might say that that shows a basic lack of understanding of football from you. Others would say it's your opinion. If you don't agree with someone's opinion, give them a counter argument, don't belittle them. Absolutely brilliantly put. I only wish that I could of published those words so eloquently because I so much struggle with what Samp is on about. He deserves every bit of criticism that comes his way after the pathetic defence of Bruce last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 It shows a basic lack of understanding about football. Not even up for debate. I find this an interesting comment because if you want to accuse someone of that, I would have to argue that it's possible that you yourself are guilty of this. You maintained last season that 'Bruce was doing ok'. I think many people would say that what happened last season was in spite of Bruce and not because of him. That's gleaned from many years of watching football (and personal experience with Pardew) Some people might say that that shows a basic lack of understanding of football from you. Others would say it's your opinion. If you don't agree with someone's opinion, give them a counter argument, don't belittle them. Absolutely brilliantly put. I only wish that I could of published those words so eloquently because I so much struggle with what Samp is on about. He deserves every bit of criticism that comes his way after the pathetic defence of Bruce last season. Well the thing is, when a new manager comes in. That first season the team is still pretty much the basis of the side a previous manager had built, ie Rafa. Let’s just say 60% of the organisational skills he drilled into them. 20% Bruce trying to play some sort of other way and the other 20% was luck that Rafa never seemed to have. Luck runs out eventually. The organisational part of things has probably whittled down to 30% now, they are forgetting what they learned quite quickly at this point. And the rest is Bruce-ball He’s popular with some of the players because he’s a soft touch. Training is easier, they get more days off. Their diets are probably worse. Complacency is what it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 The deluded daft shite probably thinks the Newcastle job will be a stepping stone to his dream job at Man Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 It shows a basic lack of understanding about football. Not even up for debate. I find this an interesting comment because if you want to accuse someone of that, I would have to argue that it's possible that you yourself are guilty of this. You maintained last season that 'Bruce was doing ok'. I think many people would say that what happened last season was in spite of Bruce and not because of him. That's gleaned from many years of watching football (and personal experience with Pardew) Some people might say that that shows a basic lack of understanding of football from you. Others would say it's your opinion. If you don't agree with someone's opinion, give them a counter argument, don't belittle them. Absolutely brilliantly put. I only wish that I could of published those words so eloquently because I so much struggle with what Samp is on about. He deserves every bit of criticism that comes his way after the pathetic defence of Bruce last season. Saying Bruce did okay last season is not a pathetic defence of Bruce. Think it's likely he will be sacked this season and he clearly isn't the man to progress the club or the players. I don't hate Bruce. Some do. Fine. People can think what they want. But the consistent "hey samptime29[/member] is Bruce doing okay?" in several threads is a bit sad and weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Are you willing to enter into a debate on here about him though, as I have a question. You constantly say that he isn't the man to progress the club or the players, but some might say that he's actually taken the club and majority of players backwards. Do you disagree with that? The reason you get called up on it is that there aren't exactly many Bruce supporters on here to have the conversation with, and it's interesting to know what some people are seeing in him that the majority can't? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Ole? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Keegan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie john Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Ole? Ole? I rest my case.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie john Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Keegan? I stand corrected on this. I think he's very much the exception that proves the rule though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Keegan? I stand corrected on this. I think he's very much the exception that proves the rule though... Zidane, Guardiola and Conte are others that quickly come to mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Got me curious so I had a Google and there's a fairly recent article that puts Blanc 1st and Strachan 2nd in managers who have played under Ferguson: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-alex-ferguson-managers-18196690. Not a particularly glowing list if Keane sneaks in at tenth. Would love to see someone do a full analysis of managers and their level of playing experience tbh. I'm inclined to say if you looked across the board there wouldn't be much of a correlation either way but would be interesting to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 The entry route is basically non-existent though, isn’t it? Even a majority of managers who come through being someone’s assistant/coach has generally played the game at some level (even if it’s like Mourinho and an incredibly poor one). If Joe Bloggs left school and completed a sports degree, put himself through his FA coaching badges and ran a Sunday league team, he’d never be considered for any sort of role above non-league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Keegan? I stand corrected on this. I think he's very much the exception that proves the rule though... TBF Keegan wasn't your typical footballer. He always had way more charisma than the rest. Don't think he ever intended to go into management. Maybe that's the problem with footballers that go on to become managers, they're groomed for it, by people that know fuck all (or maybe they assume too much) about what it takes. Think the reflection on Ferguson kinda demonstrates that. He's remembered for the hairdryer, as much as developing some of the world's greatest football talent. But the hairdryer is just one tool in his arsenal, which he used sparingly and to great effect. He was able to use it sparingly, because the rest of his arsenal meant it was rarely required. He's also remembered as uncharismatic, but in his own circle he is highly cherished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Elsewhere Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 This cunt still here ffs. Despise him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Maybe he's hoping to be able to work from home, which I believe he has registered as somewhere in Quorum Business Park, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE12 8BU Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 This cunt still here ffs. Despise him Just put him on ignore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 This cunt still here ffs. Despise him Just put him on ignore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Keegan? I stand corrected on this. I think he's very much the exception that proves the rule though... Zidane, Guardiola and Conte are others that quickly come to mind. Conte wasn't a great player. He was good, not much more. You could argue that Zidane and Guardiola aren't great managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 How? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 How? I think he’s referring to the fact they landed great jobs in great teams immediately and didn’t necessarily need to prove their managerial credentials first. That said, they’ve both done amazingly well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I’d still class them as great managers. Zidane won three Champions leagues. Peps won multiple league titles and created the greatest team of all time. If that isn’t great then I don’t know what is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Keegan? I stand corrected on this. I think he's very much the exception that proves the rule though... Zidane, Guardiola and Conte are others that quickly come to mind. Conte wasn't a great player. He was good, not much more. You could argue that Zidane and Guardiola aren't great managers. That's enough internet for today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Keegan? I stand corrected on this. I think he's very much the exception that proves the rule though... Zidane, Guardiola and Conte are others that quickly come to mind. Conte wasn't a great player. He was good, not much more. You could argue that Zidane and Guardiola aren't great managers. Save it for the Ben Arfa thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Keegan? I stand corrected on this. I think he's very much the exception that proves the rule though... Zidane, Guardiola and Conte are others that quickly come to mind. Conte wasn't a great player. He was good, not much more. You could argue that Zidane and Guardiola aren't great managers. Right up there as one of the most stupid posts in the history of N-O! I thought you were fucking joking, yo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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