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I think the xG stat is interesting, in that with the main over-performers - Liverpool, Leicester and ourselves - their chief strength is the ability to counter-attack with pace. Rather than say that's not relevant, it perhaps suggests that the formula that the statisticians use doesn't take into account that the sort of chances that are created on the counter attack are far more likely to be converted than the ones created through a slow build-up. Three against three is more likely to result in a goal than ten against ten. Likewise counter-attacking is less likely to lead to a team over-committing and leaving their defence vulnerable.

 

The difference between the three sides is the quality of the players. We struggle to retain possession and create chances any other way, whereas the other two don't.

 

We don't really counter attack any more, we just launch it long. That's why the comparison with Liverpool and Leicester is a bit disingenuous. Is that down to us having poor quality players compared to those sides? It will be a factor certainly, but you also have to wonder if the coach is capable of actually designing methods to improve it. We have seen Brighton and Sheffield Utd improve their football significantly thanks to the direct input of their managers, you can't tell me that is down to them having better players.

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I think the xG stat is interesting, in that with the main over-performers - Liverpool, Leicester and ourselves - their chief strength is the ability to counter-attack with pace. Rather than say that's not relevant, it perhaps suggests that the formula that the statisticians use doesn't take into account that the sort of chances that are created on the counter attack are far more likely to be converted than the ones created through a slow build-up. Three against three is more likely to result in a goal than ten against ten. Likewise counter-attacking is less likely to lead to a team over-committing and leaving their defence vulnerable.

 

The difference between the three sides is the quality of the players. We struggle to retain possession and create chances any other way, whereas the other two don't.

 

We don't really counter attack any more, we just launch it long. That's why the comparison with Liverpool and Leicester is a bit disingenuous. Is that down to us having poor quality players compared to those sides? It will be a factor certainly, but you also have to wonder if the coach is capable of actually designing methods to improve it. We have seen Brighton and Sheffield Utd improve their football significantly thanks to the direct input of their managers, you can't tell me that is down to them having better players.

 

I suppose I should have said the 'main' difference.

 

We're never going to construct a formula for rating every manager, but there is one factor that Bruce (and our previous managers) have had to deal with, which isn't the same problem at Sheffield United or Brighton. That's the pressure of being a 'big' club, with high expectations, historically low achievement over the last 60 years and a strong local involvement hungry for success. Our status as the great under-achievers pre-dates Ashley and Bruce. In terms of the combination of those pressures, we're quite unique.

 

Bruce has managed that syndrome pretty well, and I'd say better than most.

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I think the xG stat is interesting, in that with the main over-performers - Liverpool, Leicester and ourselves - their chief strength is the ability to counter-attack with pace. Rather than say that's not relevant, it perhaps suggests that the formula that the statisticians use doesn't take into account that the sort of chances that are created on the counter attack are far more likely to be converted than the ones created through a slow build-up. Three against three is more likely to result in a goal than ten against ten. Likewise counter-attacking is less likely to lead to a team over-committing and leaving their defence vulnerable.

 

The difference between the three sides is the quality of the players. We struggle to retain possession and create chances any other way, whereas the other two don't.

 

We don't really counter attack any more, we just launch it long. That's why the comparison with Liverpool and Leicester is a bit disingenuous. Is that down to us having poor quality players compared to those sides? It will be a factor certainly, but you also have to wonder if the coach is capable of actually designing methods to improve it. We have seen Brighton and Sheffield Utd improve their football significantly thanks to the direct input of their managers, you can't tell me that is down to them having better players.

 

I suppose I should have said the 'main' difference.

 

We're never going to construct a formula for rating every manager, but there is one factor that Bruce (and our previous managers) have had to deal with, which isn't the same problem at Sheffield United or Brighton. That's the pressure of being a 'big' club, with high expectations, historically low achievement over the last 60 years and a strong local involvement hungry for success. Our status as the great under-achievers pre-dates Ashley and Bruce. In terms of the combination of those pressures, we're quite unique.

 

Bruce has managed that syndrome pretty well, and I'd say better than most.

[emoji38] Expectations are non-existent at NUFC these days. That's why Bruce has the job.
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This one is on Bruce 100%! What a fucking embarrassment!

 

So credit him for the 9th place beforehand I guess then ?

 

I kind of think you have to to an extent, although a lot of it has to do with Rafa’s coaching before him. Pretty telling though that whenever Bruce tries to make any significant changes - system, formation, personnel - we get spanked!

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