TRon Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I think the xG stat is interesting, in that with the main over-performers - Liverpool, Leicester and ourselves - their chief strength is the ability to counter-attack with pace. Rather than say that's not relevant, it perhaps suggests that the formula that the statisticians use doesn't take into account that the sort of chances that are created on the counter attack are far more likely to be converted than the ones created through a slow build-up. Three against three is more likely to result in a goal than ten against ten. Likewise counter-attacking is less likely to lead to a team over-committing and leaving their defence vulnerable. The difference between the three sides is the quality of the players. We struggle to retain possession and create chances any other way, whereas the other two don't. We don't really counter attack any more, we just launch it long. That's why the comparison with Liverpool and Leicester is a bit disingenuous. Is that down to us having poor quality players compared to those sides? It will be a factor certainly, but you also have to wonder if the coach is capable of actually designing methods to improve it. We have seen Brighton and Sheffield Utd improve their football significantly thanks to the direct input of their managers, you can't tell me that is down to them having better players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I think the xG stat is interesting, in that with the main over-performers - Liverpool, Leicester and ourselves - their chief strength is the ability to counter-attack with pace. Rather than say that's not relevant, it perhaps suggests that the formula that the statisticians use doesn't take into account that the sort of chances that are created on the counter attack are far more likely to be converted than the ones created through a slow build-up. Three against three is more likely to result in a goal than ten against ten. Likewise counter-attacking is less likely to lead to a team over-committing and leaving their defence vulnerable. The difference between the three sides is the quality of the players. We struggle to retain possession and create chances any other way, whereas the other two don't. We don't really counter attack any more, we just launch it long. That's why the comparison with Liverpool and Leicester is a bit disingenuous. Is that down to us having poor quality players compared to those sides? It will be a factor certainly, but you also have to wonder if the coach is capable of actually designing methods to improve it. We have seen Brighton and Sheffield Utd improve their football significantly thanks to the direct input of their managers, you can't tell me that is down to them having better players. I suppose I should have said the 'main' difference. We're never going to construct a formula for rating every manager, but there is one factor that Bruce (and our previous managers) have had to deal with, which isn't the same problem at Sheffield United or Brighton. That's the pressure of being a 'big' club, with high expectations, historically low achievement over the last 60 years and a strong local involvement hungry for success. Our status as the great under-achievers pre-dates Ashley and Bruce. In terms of the combination of those pressures, we're quite unique. Bruce has managed that syndrome pretty well, and I'd say better than most. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Robbie Savage on the amazon prime show. “Brucie just used to tell us get the ball to Dugarry” Basic Brucie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I think the xG stat is interesting, in that with the main over-performers - Liverpool, Leicester and ourselves - their chief strength is the ability to counter-attack with pace. Rather than say that's not relevant, it perhaps suggests that the formula that the statisticians use doesn't take into account that the sort of chances that are created on the counter attack are far more likely to be converted than the ones created through a slow build-up. Three against three is more likely to result in a goal than ten against ten. Likewise counter-attacking is less likely to lead to a team over-committing and leaving their defence vulnerable. The difference between the three sides is the quality of the players. We struggle to retain possession and create chances any other way, whereas the other two don't. We don't really counter attack any more, we just launch it long. That's why the comparison with Liverpool and Leicester is a bit disingenuous. Is that down to us having poor quality players compared to those sides? It will be a factor certainly, but you also have to wonder if the coach is capable of actually designing methods to improve it. We have seen Brighton and Sheffield Utd improve their football significantly thanks to the direct input of their managers, you can't tell me that is down to them having better players. I suppose I should have said the 'main' difference. We're never going to construct a formula for rating every manager, but there is one factor that Bruce (and our previous managers) have had to deal with, which isn't the same problem at Sheffield United or Brighton. That's the pressure of being a 'big' club, with high expectations, historically low achievement over the last 60 years and a strong local involvement hungry for success. Our status as the great under-achievers pre-dates Ashley and Bruce. In terms of the combination of those pressures, we're quite unique. Bruce has managed that syndrome pretty well, and I'd say better than most. Expectations are non-existent at NUFC these days. That's why Bruce has the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Seeing pictures of him on Twitter. Not exactly looking a picture of health and vitality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Heart attack waiting to happen imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Heart attack waiting to happen imo. This. Blood shot eyes, huge bags under his eyes, and a face that is literally the colour purple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Needs to eat this disgrace of a performance. All on him. Fat, useless wanker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Keep drinking those pints you fat clueless fuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 He'll be delighted, his favourite club are walking to an easy win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Absolutely despises having a midfield for some weird reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Desperate to have two isolated forwards on the pitch at the expense of leaving the midfield and wide areas woefully exposed. Fucking dinosaur. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Not sure where it's going wrong as his eyes suggested that he's been up for days without sleep, studying the opposition and the best way to approach this game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Not sure where it's going wrong as his eyes suggested that he's been up for days without sleep, studying the opposition and the best way to approach this game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 "At least wuh give it a crack and wuh give the fans a goal to cheer" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Embarrassed on amazon prime, he’s getting embarrassed on amazon prime Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Certainly sorted us out at half time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 This one is on Bruce 100%! What a fucking embarrassment! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 This one is on Bruce 100%! What a fucking embarrassment! Not entirely, at least 3 of the goals have came from individual errors. The set up is still shit though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest covmag Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 This one is on Bruce 100%! What a fucking embarrassment! So credit him for the 9th place beforehand I guess then ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 This one is on Bruce 100%! What a f***ing embarrassment! So credit him for the 9th place beforehand I guess then ? A huge amount of luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Have a heart attack, fat cunt Not on this like. Unacceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 He's got to take this one on the chins. We look absolutely dreadful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 This one is on Bruce 100%! What a fucking embarrassment! So credit him for the 9th place beforehand I guess then ? I kind of think you have to to an extent, although a lot of it has to do with Rafa’s coaching before him. Pretty telling though that whenever Bruce tries to make any significant changes - system, formation, personnel - we get spanked! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 When we lose we lose properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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