Steve Brute

[Paully]

[St. Maximin]

I think six points from our last four games is a good return and we were never going to get anything at Stamford Bridge.

 

More annoyed that Fulham won at Everton. That was a dreadful result for us.

 

With ASM and Wilson both missing two months of the season, a relegation battle is really where we should be. Almost every squad in the league is on a par or better than ours in my opinion, so we wouldn't be much better off with a half-decent manager. Obviously would with Rafa but his CV is a different level to most.

 

I hear people saying we should be competing for the top 10, but they are clearly better than ours with a better injury record. We have players like Shelvey and Lewis in our starting 11 after all.

 

Anyway, despite all that Bruce is horrendous.

[Wallsendmag]

I think six points from our last four games is a good return and we were never going to get anything at Stamford Bridge.

 

More annoyed that Fulham won at Everton. That was a dreadful result for us.

 

With ASM and Wilson both missing two months of the season, a relegation battle is really where we should be. Almost every squad in the league is on a par or better than ours in my opinion, so we wouldn't be much better off with a half-decent manager. Obviously would with Rafa but his CV is a different level to most.

 

I hear people saying we should be competing for the top 10, but they are clearly better than ours with a better injury record. We have players like Shelvey and Lewis in our starting 11 after all.

 

Anyway, despite all that Bruce is horrendous.

 

We competed for the top 10 before Brute arrived and since then he's been given £100m to improve the team. I'm not having it that 4th bottom is our rightful position. The sum of our parts on the pitch is better than 17th. They've proven that.

[Thomson Mouse]

 

I don’t understand why he needed to wait until half time to change things against an obvious threat

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

I think six points from our last four games is a good return and we were never going to get anything at Stamford Bridge.

 

More annoyed that Fulham won at Everton. That was a dreadful result for us.

 

With ASM and Wilson both missing two months of the season, a relegation battle is really where we should be. Almost every squad in the league is on a par or better than ours in my opinion, so we wouldn't be much better off with a half-decent manager. Obviously would with Rafa but his CV is a different level to most.

 

I hear people saying we should be competing for the top 10, but they are clearly better than ours with a better injury record. We have players like Shelvey and Lewis in our starting 11 after all.

 

Anyway, despite all that Bruce is horrendous.

 

Therein lies another problem. We shouldn't have to factor in that our best players might miss significant chunks of the season.

 

Admittedly ASM was done in with Covid but both last season and this, he's suffered non-impact injuries. It's not an impact injury that's put Wilson out either.

 

The way butter boy talks, it's like injuries have to be accepted, taken on the chin (one of many) and there's no way of reducing the risk - which isn't the case at all.

[Paully]

[St. Maximin]

I think six points from our last four games is a good return and we were never going to get anything at Stamford Bridge.

 

More annoyed that Fulham won at Everton. That was a dreadful result for us.

 

With ASM and Wilson both missing two months of the season, a relegation battle is really where we should be. Almost every squad in the league is on a par or better than ours in my opinion, so we wouldn't be much better off with a half-decent manager. Obviously would with Rafa but his CV is a different level to most.

 

I hear people saying we should be competing for the top 10, but they are clearly better than ours with a better injury record. We have players like Shelvey and Lewis in our starting 11 after all.

 

Anyway, despite all that Bruce is horrendous.

 

We competed for the top 10 before Brute arrived and since then he's been given £100m to improve the team. I'm not having it that 4th bottom is our rightful position. The sum of our parts on the pitch is better than 17th. They've proven that.

As I said Rafa was a different level. Most okay Premier League managers wouldn't have us competing there normally. Bruce may be terrible still, but he shouldn't judged on how he does compared to Rafa (unless he starts making silly comparisons but that's a different story).

 

He had £100m but £40m was spent on a player the club were desperate to sign for some bizarre reason and was nowhere near that level. Rafa had Rondon and Perez - may have cost next to nothing but we definitely had more goals in that team on paper.

 

We can talk about how we're doing compared to under Rafa and how much money Bruce has had, but is our squad really better than those of Fulham, Brighton, Crystal Palace, Burnley, Southampton, Aston Villa etc? I'd only say Burnley out of those and Fulham, Palace and Brighton are a similar level through having more depth than us. Take away ASM and Wilson for large parts of the season as stated and we have very poor alternatives as well as the poor players in our starting line-up.

[St. Maximin]

I think six points from our last four games is a good return and we were never going to get anything at Stamford Bridge.

 

More annoyed that Fulham won at Everton. That was a dreadful result for us.

 

With ASM and Wilson both missing two months of the season, a relegation battle is really where we should be. Almost every squad in the league is on a par or better than ours in my opinion, so we wouldn't be much better off with a half-decent manager. Obviously would with Rafa but his CV is a different level to most.

 

I hear people saying we should be competing for the top 10, but they are clearly better than ours with a better injury record. We have players like Shelvey and Lewis in our starting 11 after all.

 

Anyway, despite all that Bruce is horrendous.

 

Therein lies another problem. We shouldn't have to factor in that our best players might miss significant chunks of the season.

 

Admittedly ASM was done in with Covid but both last season and this, he's suffered non-impact injuries. It's not an impact injury that's put Wilson out either.

 

The way butter boy talks, it's like injuries have to be accepted, taken on the chin (one of many) and there's no way of reducing the risk - which isn't the case at all.

I do agree with you, but along with Almiron they are so far ahead of the rest going forward that we just don't have adequate replacements. I know some of the other lower teams are heavily reliant on one or two players, but they clearly have a bit more depth for when they're missing. Miss our star players and you're talking the likes of Ritchie, Joelinton, Gayle, Carroll and Murphy coming in.

[KaKa]

Bruce wouldn't have done anything with Perez and Rondon man.

 

We saw Rondon under Pulis and Perez under Pardew et al. and they were nothing special.

 

It was far more to do with what Rafa was getting out of them. Just like he would get a lot more out of the current bunch we have.

[St. Maximin]

You're right, but they are definitely better than Joelinton. I appreciate Bruce did have money spent on ASM and Wilson though, who are genuinely good, but take them at least one of them out the side as we will have done for half the season and the difference is pretty striking.

 

I'd rather not spend too much time defending Bruce because he's terrible, but under most Premier League managers given the injuries we've had, I wouldn't expect us to do much better. More the way we have got the points that has pissed me off.

[Paully]

You're right, but they are definitely better than Joelinton. I appreciate Bruce did have money spent on ASM and Wilson though, who are genuinely good, but take them at least one of them out the side as we will have done for half the season and the difference is pretty striking.

 

I'd rather not spend too much time defending Bruce because he's terrible, but under most Premier League managers given the injuries we've had, I wouldn't expect us to do much better. More the way we have got the points that has pissed me off.

 

:yikes: :yikes:

[St. Maximin]

You're right, but they are definitely better than Joelinton. I appreciate Bruce did have money spent on ASM and Wilson though, who are genuinely good, but take them at least one of them out the side as we will have done for half the season and the difference is pretty striking.

 

I'd rather not spend too much time defending Bruce because he's terrible, but under most Premier League managers given the injuries we've had, I wouldn't expect us to do much better. More the way we have got the points that has p*ssed me off.

 

:yikes: :yikes:

Yeah. I mean in terms of position. 17th with ASM missing a while and if we go down it will be because Wilson was absent and no one else up front is very good. Even with them in the squad I don't think we are much better on paper, if at all, than the teams around us.

 

As I said it's more the way we've got points that has annoyed me, but most Premier League managers wouldn't have us doing much better with this squad imo in terms of points. The better ones would be less reliant on some ASM magic / Wilson penalties / keeper heroics though.

[huss9]

 

like Kaka said, you really had to watch that in real time. that picture doesnt do it justice.

[Wallsendmag]

I think six points from our last four games is a good return and we were never going to get anything at Stamford Bridge.

 

More annoyed that Fulham won at Everton. That was a dreadful result for us.

 

With ASM and Wilson both missing two months of the season, a relegation battle is really where we should be. Almost every squad in the league is on a par or better than ours in my opinion, so we wouldn't be much better off with a half-decent manager. Obviously would with Rafa but his CV is a different level to most.

 

I hear people saying we should be competing for the top 10, but they are clearly better than ours with a better injury record. We have players like Shelvey and Lewis in our starting 11 after all.

 

Anyway, despite all that Bruce is horrendous.

 

We competed for the top 10 before Brute arrived and since then he's been given £100m to improve the team. I'm not having it that 4th bottom is our rightful position. The sum of our parts on the pitch is better than 17th. They've proven that.

As I said Rafa was a different level. Most okay Premier League managers wouldn't have us competing there normally. Bruce may be terrible still, but he shouldn't judged on how he does compared to Rafa (unless he starts making silly comparisons but that's a different story).

 

He had £100m but £40m was spent on a player the club were desperate to sign for some bizarre reason and was nowhere near that level. Rafa had Rondon and Perez - may have cost next to nothing but we definitely had more goals in that team on paper.

 

We can talk about how we're doing compared to under Rafa and how much money Bruce has had, but is our squad really better than those of Fulham, Brighton, Crystal Palace, Burnley, Southampton, Aston Villa etc? I'd only say Burnley out of those and Fulham, Palace and Brighton are a similar level through having more depth than us. Take away ASM and Wilson for large parts of the season as stated and we have very poor alternatives as well as the poor players in our starting line-up.

 

Rafa didn't have these 2 players at his disposal either. Bruce has had Wilson for the majority and ASM for some of the season. Rafa was also adamant he didn't want Joelinton whereas Bruce seemed more than happy to have him.

[St. Maximin]

I think six points from our last four games is a good return and we were never going to get anything at Stamford Bridge.

 

More annoyed that Fulham won at Everton. That was a dreadful result for us.

 

With ASM and Wilson both missing two months of the season, a relegation battle is really where we should be. Almost every squad in the league is on a par or better than ours in my opinion, so we wouldn't be much better off with a half-decent manager. Obviously would with Rafa but his CV is a different level to most.

 

I hear people saying we should be competing for the top 10, but they are clearly better than ours with a better injury record. We have players like Shelvey and Lewis in our starting 11 after all.

 

Anyway, despite all that Bruce is horrendous.

 

We competed for the top 10 before Brute arrived and since then he's been given £100m to improve the team. I'm not having it that 4th bottom is our rightful position. The sum of our parts on the pitch is better than 17th. They've proven that.

As I said Rafa was a different level. Most okay Premier League managers wouldn't have us competing there normally. Bruce may be terrible still, but he shouldn't judged on how he does compared to Rafa (unless he starts making silly comparisons but that's a different story).

 

He had £100m but £40m was spent on a player the club were desperate to sign for some bizarre reason and was nowhere near that level. Rafa had Rondon and Perez - may have cost next to nothing but we definitely had more goals in that team on paper.

 

We can talk about how we're doing compared to under Rafa and how much money Bruce has had, but is our squad really better than those of Fulham, Brighton, Crystal Palace, Burnley, Southampton, Aston Villa etc? I'd only say Burnley out of those and Fulham, Palace and Brighton are a similar level through having more depth than us. Take away ASM and Wilson for large parts of the season as stated and we have very poor alternatives as well as the poor players in our starting line-up.

 

Rafa didn't have these 2 players at his disposal either. Bruce has had Wilson for the majority and ASM for some of the season. Rafa was also adamant he didn't want Joelinton whereas Bruce seemed more than happy to have him.

Sure, but Rafa was pretty much an exception. That squad he had should have been in a relegation battle all season, so finishing 10th was ridiculously good. Of course Bruce would get nowhere Rafa's achievements (over longer term anyway), but then neither would most other managers with this squad.

[Robster]

like Kaka said, you really had to watch that in real time. that picture doesnt do it justice.

I was thinking that to be honest. A photo can be very deceiving and can not be a true reflection of what really happened.

I'd love to see a video of it.

[Collage]

I'd say we should be above Burnley and Brighton at least. And, above all, we should play much better football. If we played good football and tried to go at teams, I'd be quite happy with finishing 14th or whatever at this moment, where we are right now.

 

EDIT: Essentially it's about striving to improve, having some sort of ambition.

[KaKa]

Bruce wouldn't have done anything with Perez and Rondon man.

 

We saw Rondon under Pulis and Perez under Pardew et al. and they were nothing special.

 

It was far more to do with what Rafa was getting out of them. Just like he would get a lot more out of the current bunch we have.

 

Totally agree. One of my best mates supports Albion, and he told me when we signed him, don't judge him off what you see with us, he's class and playing on a island with noone anywhere near him. That's EXACTLY what bruce would do with him

 

Yup. Precisely.

 

If Rafa was here right now even with Wilson out, he'd find a way to get something out of some combination of Joelinton, Carrol, Gayle, ASM, Fraser and Almiron that would get us enough goals.

 

No question about it.

[Paully]

[ScottishMagpie]

"Too many first contacts". ...."That's something we'll look at."

 

Get him trying to sound like he has a fucking clue!!!

[Darth Crooks]

[Yorkie]

Brilliant

[toon25]

Big game for bacon chops tonight

[Paully]

[HawK]

Of course he's safe, safe as houses. He's above 18th, that's all that matters. When he's 18th for a little while, then Ashley/Charnley might flinch. Until then, all good in the upper echelons of SJP, everything on track, keep it up Brucey.