Geordie Ahmed Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I get there are probably questions to be asked about the injuries and the rehab etc but why does the Murphy one keep getting mentioned as a mistake As Howe explained at the time, if Murphy was operated on immediately the recovery time was estimated at 3 months, by not operating it made no difference to the recovery time, it was still 3 months But by not operating there was a chance we could have gotten some games out of him, it's something the medical staff and Murphy were fine to try. Obviously we didn't get much out of him but if they operated immediately he still wouldn't have been playing all these games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Beren said: Tbf you don't need to have medical knowledge to know medical advice isn't being followed. Apparently, this is quite intrinsic to Howe philosophy and elements of this are reasonably self-evident from what you see on the pitch, how the team presses, how it manages games, how it doesn't rotate players and what we even saw "backstage" in the Amazon doc. But beneath the surface Howe hasn't historically bought players who might be overworked. If a player has a niggle, he will test them at 125% of their max in preseason. If a sub comes on for 5 minutes and doesn't demonstrate exemplary fitness, they don't get another opportunity (which spectacularly backfired wth the injury crisis). At least one person at the club was aghast but the sports science team are all Howe-appointed "max out" bros and refuted medical challenge (although apparently they are finally beginning to relent with this latest Joelinton issue - as he was the latest example of a player previously flagged at being at risk getting injured, they are now re-examining the return to play protocol). But this is not the first instance of this, of course, most prominently with Jacob Murphy when no one was listened to by management and predictably lasted all of 5 minutes. It's not terminal or anything but as I have more subtly implied previously, management needs to evolve off the pitch as well as on it over the summer. Your primary (only?) strategy to compete can't just be outworking opponents across three/four competitions - it's unsustainable. Particularly with questionable quality in even the first XI - which is just a reality of FFP we need to live with, and address over time. I see you’ve got some legit info. Cheers. Thanks for that. Interesting. Scary too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Beren said: Tbf you don't need to have medical knowledge to know medical advice isn't being followed. Apparently, this is quite intrinsic to Howe philosophy and elements of this are reasonably self-evident from what you see on the pitch, how the team presses, how it manages games, how it doesn't rotate players and what we even saw "backstage" in the Amazon doc. But beneath the surface Howe hasn't historically bought players who might be overworked. If a player has a niggle, he will test them at 125% of their max in preseason. If a sub comes on for 5 minutes and doesn't demonstrate exemplary fitness, they don't get another opportunity (which spectacularly backfired wth the injury crisis). At least one person at the club was aghast but the sports science team are all Howe-appointed "max out" bros and refuted medical challenge (although apparently they are finally beginning to relent with this latest Joelinton issue - as he was the latest example of a player previously flagged at being at risk getting injured, they are now re-examining the return to play protocol). But this is not the first instance of this, of course, most prominently with Jacob Murphy when no one was listened to by management and predictably lasted all of 5 minutes. It's not terminal or anything but as I have more subtly implied previously, management needs to evolve off the pitch as well as on it over the summer. Your primary (only?) strategy to compete can't just be outworking opponents across three/four competitions - it's unsustainable. Particularly with questionable quality in even the first XI - which is just a reality of FFP we need to live with, and address over time. Don't like reading it but it rings uncomfortably true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, Beren said: Tbf you don't need to have medical knowledge to know medical advice isn't being followed. Apparently, this is quite intrinsic to Howe philosophy and elements of this are reasonably self-evident from what you see on the pitch, how the team presses, how it manages games, how it doesn't rotate players and what we even saw "backstage" in the Amazon doc. But beneath the surface Howe hasn't historically bought players who might be overworked. If a player has a niggle, he will test them at 125% of their max in preseason. If a sub comes on for 5 minutes and doesn't demonstrate exemplary fitness, they don't get another opportunity (which spectacularly backfired wth the injury crisis). At least one person at the club was aghast but the sports science team are all Howe-appointed "max out" bros and refuted medical challenge (although apparently they are finally beginning to relent with this latest Joelinton issue - as he was the latest example of a player previously flagged at being at risk getting injured, they are now re-examining the return to play protocol). But this is not the first instance of this, of course, most prominently with Jacob Murphy when no one was listened to by management and predictably lasted all of 5 minutes. It's not terminal or anything but as I have more subtly implied previously, management needs to evolve off the pitch as well as on it over the summer. Your primary (only?) strategy to compete can't just be outworking opponents across three/four competitions - it's unsustainable. Particularly with questionable quality in even the first XI - which is just a reality of FFP we need to live with, and address over time. Howe needs to find another string to his bow this summer, or i fear next season will be his last. Both him and his medical team have been found badly wanting this season it’s looked like amateur hour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Apparently been an armed robbery at his house tonight. Joe was at the match so presume his wife and kids were in. Utter bastards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 8 hours ago, Beren said: Tbf you don't need to have medical knowledge to know medical advice isn't being followed. Apparently, this is quite intrinsic to Howe philosophy and elements of this are reasonably self-evident from what you see on the pitch, how the team presses, how it manages games, how it doesn't rotate players and what we even saw "backstage" in the Amazon doc. But beneath the surface Howe hasn't historically bought players who might be overworked. If a player has a niggle, he will test them at 125% of their max in preseason. If a sub comes on for 5 minutes and doesn't demonstrate exemplary fitness, they don't get another opportunity (which spectacularly backfired wth the injury crisis). At least one person at the club was aghast but the sports science team are all Howe-appointed "max out" bros and refuted medical challenge (although apparently they are finally beginning to relent with this latest Joelinton issue - as he was the latest example of a player previously flagged at being at risk getting injured, they are now re-examining the return to play protocol). But this is not the first instance of this, of course, most prominently with Jacob Murphy when no one was listened to by management and predictably lasted all of 5 minutes. It's not terminal or anything but as I have more subtly implied previously, management needs to evolve off the pitch as well as on it over the summer. Your primary (only?) strategy to compete can't just be outworking opponents across three/four competitions - it's unsustainable. Particularly with questionable quality in even the first XI - which is just a reality of FFP we need to live with, and address over time. You sure this is true? To my knowledge, only one of our sports scientists has ever worked with Howe before. We've got a few that were hired before he arrived, iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 27 minutes ago, Magpie said: Apparently been an armed robbery at his house tonight. Joe was at the match so presume his wife and kids were in. Utter bastards. Seriously? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Fucking hell, hope they catch the cunts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pablo123 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 15 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said: You sure this is true? To my knowledge, only one of our sports scientists has ever worked with Howe before. We've got a few that were hired before he arrived, iirc. My cousins son is the head of first team fitness and conditioning and he's been at the club before Howe started. He was at Southampton and came here under Bruce, albeit when he was quite young Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 10 minutes ago, Pokerprince2004 said: Mackem retaliation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just realised he misses the 5th round of the fa cup if we make it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BShearer Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 our medical team is really shit this season. I am certain that some of our many injuries are down to them rather than bad luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 hours ago, Pokerprince2004 said: Hope him and his family are ok. Mind you, they’d need to be armed. I wouldn’t want to break into that man’s house and see him coming down the stairs to investigate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 hours ago, Pablo123 said: My cousins son is the head of first team fitness and conditioning and he's been at the club before Howe started. He was at Southampton and came here under Bruce, albeit when he was quite young is it Nick? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Hope him and his family are ok. Mind you, they’d need to be armed. I wouldn’t want to break into that man’s house and see him coming down the stairs to investigate Didn't Duncan Ferguson kick the shit out of a burglar once? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 27 minutes ago, loki679 said: Didn't Duncan Ferguson kick the shit out of a burglar once? Two burglars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieT Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 No one at home, thankfully. First instance of this that I can recall up here? Seems to be fairly commonplace in the North West / London. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I hope Jo and his family are OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaksbigrightfoot Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Terrible news if true. Horrible news. I do wonder why these footballers don’t have state of the art intruder systems though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 7 minutes ago, Isaksbigrightfoot said: Terrible news if true. Horrible news. I do wonder why these footballers don’t have state of the art intruder systems though. Ones that zap burglars? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaksbigrightfoot Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Ones that zap burglars? Exactly that. ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, Isaksbigrightfoot said: Terrible news if true. Horrible news. I do wonder why these footballers don’t have state of the art intruder systems though. He got an alert on his phone as they broke in and the bizzies were there straight away, nowt much else he could do really When I was a kid a pal lived in a massive house in Ponteland and they had a pack of alsation guard dogs for security, they lived in kennels and were radge as fuck. Working dogs, not pets If the family weren’t home the dogs would be let out to roam the grounds looking for people to chin Not state of the art, but very effective Edited January 14 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, joeyt said: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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