Yorkie Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 It's a fair point but you need to show something. Wijnaldum scored four in a match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a propheteer Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Wijnaldum was top class, you could tell by how he looked on the ball at old Trafford in his first game. The best player we have had in the last 10 years or so for me. What he's gone on to achieve since backs that up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 He's definitely shown sparks of ability but it's impossible to know if he'd improve in a better environment. The coaching setup and general hopelessness of the club doesn't help and if he's a confidence player then there's nowhere to fuel that ability right now. The whole situation is an abomination at the moment, it takes strength of character to perform in these circumstances and he's shown none, it's clear he's given up. It's not his fault he's been given a £40m price tag but he's not exactly trying to fight back the hate like Perez did. The deal stinks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Wijnaldum was top class, you could tell by how he looked on the ball at old Trafford in his first game. The best player we have had in the last 10 years or so for me. What he's gone on to achieve since backs that up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Jesus, to think we had Thauvin, Sissoko, Wijnaldum, Townsend, Janmaat, Shelvey, Perez all on the books at the same time and went down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Jesus, to think we had Thauvin, Sissoko, Wijnaldum, Townsend, Janmaat, Shelvey, Perez all on the books at the same time and went down. Just goes to show that that the best signing you can make is a top manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Jesus, to think we had Thauvin, Sissoko, Wijnaldum, Townsend, Janmaat, Shelvey, Perez all on the books at the same time and went down. Just goes to show that that the best signing you can make is a top manager. Anyone else see McClaren on Skysports News doing the analysis of the last round of PL games the other day Looked like a right charlatan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 We played two short centre backs and put Colback-Anita ahead of them. Mitrovic worked well as the scapegoat though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I don’t get the effort thing, I think people weirdly conflate not playing well, with not trying. Loads of times he's not busting a gut to get onto balls. That should be the minimum requirement. That’s partially down to confidence. When players are bereft of confidence they often stop making the right runs, chances dry up. Not to mention he’s not a natural striker anyway. He doesn’t have great movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Jesus, to think we had Thauvin, Sissoko, Wijnaldum, Townsend, Janmaat, Shelvey, Perez all on the books at the same time and went down. Just goes to show that that the best signing you can make is a top manager. We rarely played Sissoko and Wijnaldum in central midfield, mostly playing Anita and Colback. Throw in very poor GK and CBs & SMC we were bound for the drop. I think Bruce would’ve went down with more of a fight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Bruce and McLaren are the total opposites. McClaren was well known for being decent with the cones and had a decent knowledge of the game. He was just a complete wet paper bag with no man management or motivation skills. Bruce, on the other hand, is a "mans man" like Souness, all motivation and "in the trenches" craic, with no real skill or knowledge of the modern game. I noticed against Leicester on new years day, Bruce was straight over to Rodgers, "all the best", he said referring to the new year, shaking his hand like a long lost brother. It might seem picking at little things but to me Bruce has no game face. The opposition is your enemy, as far as I'm concerned, until after the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanDamme Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Joelinton should never put on a Newcastle Utd shirt again, too many opportunities, sell for £5 mill and be shot of him. He makes Muto a better option! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 There are some on here that are so desperate for him to prove he is genuinely a 40 million pound player that they actually can not or will not admit this player is rubbish. How many times do you want to see him play for goodness sake? I'm not trying to sound clever and so much the wise one but I had him sussed after 5 games. This bloke has NEVER or will EVER be a centre forward/number 9. A big bloke but a hopeless header of a ball, does not hold up play well at all (I can't believe some posters on here that think otherwise), does not run the channels and his movement inside the 18 yard box is non existent. He is not a goal poacher and he has no turn of speed. Do you need any more proof? He has 1 goal for God's sake! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I am genuinely disappointed by the quality of comments here. I won’t waste time to defend for Joelinton but if you are criticising how shit Bruce tactics is then you shouldn’t blame any players who could not perform. Asking Joelinton to do Carroll’s job is just fucking insane. And the fact we are playing a tactic that requires Carroll to shine worths to be relegated. Feel free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I am genuinely disappointed by the quality of comments here. I won’t waste time to defend for Joelinton but if you are criticising how shit Bruce tactics is then you shouldn’t blame any players who could not perform. Asking Joelinton to do Carroll’s job is just fucking insane. And the fact we are playing a tactic that requires Carroll to shine worths to be relegated. Feel free. I don't understand why it's so hard for people to see this, but just let them vent man. It's so interesting because I look at Firmino, who Joelinton was compared to in Germany, and everyone loves him now, but he has grown into the excellent player he is. He also clearly benefits from a system that allows him to drop into space and create for both Mane and Salah. It's perfect for him. Do you really think if Firmino had come to this ridiculous club he would be what he is now? Or anything even remotely close. Even if Liverpool gave us Firmino right now do you think he would be upfront alone in our system doing what he does for Liverpool? The whole thing just makes me laugh. Let's wait and see if anyone will ever perform for this joke of a manager. I really hope we get Giroud like a lot of people are hoping, so I can have a good laugh when he's up front for us looking ridiculous too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 There's merit in Joelinton being incorrectly utilised and just generally shite like. He's as flat footed as I've seen a striker, doesn't follow shots in or gamble on anything in the box. If he had those instincts he'd have scored a couple more by now, even despite Bruce's neanderthal tactics and trying to use him as a battering ram when he's not suited to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 yeah as always two things can be true at the same time, thing is we know bruce is proven garbage but 6 months is no time to declare any player new to a league/country finished is alls i'd say doesn't look a natural goalscorer/no 9 to me, which isn't his fault if we've bought him to be one, but that doesn't mean under competent coaching we can't ever find a role for him that he'll thrive in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Aye, he's definitely not a no. 9, I think there's some talent there though and in the right setup he could be a useful player. Never worth £40m though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 yeah well, guess we'll never get to the bottom of that fee like actually will we when the accounts come out? that'll break down the details of the deal surely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Don't they come out something like 18 months after the season ends (or something stupid like that)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Don't they come out something like 18 months after the season ends (or something stupid like that)? pends if mike's got something to hide, if he has then he'll delay the accounts again and take the £20 hit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 That chance he missed at the weekend was horrendous, he done well to make the space to get the shot off but I'm pretty sure that not once did he even glance up to see where the goal was. I know most forwards have the instinct and 'know where the goal is' but christ, it gets worse every time you want it. It looked harder to miss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Bruce being a shit manager doesn’t detract from the player’s inability to shoot properly, lead the line or put in some real effort. He obviously lacks confidence right now and his head drops easily. But anyone with something about them will keep going. Look at Miggy. Joelinton will go down as the biggest flop in our history, sadly, it’s all too predictable because he is never a centre-froward, never a 40m player and should never have been signed in the first place. Rafa and Rondon was of course the obvious investment... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I am genuinely disappointed by the quality of comments here. I won’t waste time to defend for Joelinton but if you are criticising how shit Bruce tactics is then you shouldn’t blame any players who could not perform. Asking Joelinton to do Carroll’s job is just fucking insane. And the fact we are playing a tactic that requires Carroll to shine worths to be relegated. Feel free. Insane comment. He can't strike a ball properly FFS. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I am genuinely disappointed by the quality of comments here. I won’t waste time to defend for Joelinton but if you are criticising how shit Bruce tactics is then you shouldn’t blame any players who could not perform. Asking Joelinton to do Carroll’s job is just fucking insane. And the fact we are playing a tactic that requires Carroll to shine worths to be relegated. Feel free. Insane comment. He can't strike a ball properly FFS. :lol: i mean i agree to an extent to but you have to put that down to confidence surely, there's no way he's got to where he has in world football if he's completely unable to kick a football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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