Joelinton: will not play against Everton (Howe)

[Ronson333]

2 hours ago, dcmk said:

Why is it a concern?  In that period of time we were absolutely desperate for players.

 

That same transfer window we also triggered the release clause of Chris Wood.  

 

It got us out of the immediate shit. 

 

 

Because we’re still stuck with him on £100k (if true) and he’s not playing?

 

 

Edited February 26, 2024 by Ronson333

[NSG]

This season has shown just how pivotal this bloke is to our midfield. If he’s asking for c£125k a week then that’s pretty reasonable for a first choice midfielder.

[Pata]

2 hours ago, NSG said:

This season has shown just how pivotal this bloke is to our midfield. If he’s asking for c£125k a week then that’s pretty reasonable for a first choice midfielder.

 

Would be really cheap IMO considering he got £80-85k from Ashley's NUFC and is so much better now even without taking into account how much players of his quality get in other top 7-8 teams. I would be fine to doubling his wages close to what Bruno gets as it will be the biggest contract of his career, Bruno will get another bigger deal (hopefully from us) due to being younger and more talented.

[Pandamninator]

5 hours ago, Menace said:

£40K a week when we signed him for close to £40M? I don't buy it.

Was anyone ever able to validate the 40m figure (either in the accounts or sources)? To me it always seemed made up BS and on brand for Fatty to inflate how much we were spending.

 

IIRC they did the same thing with Almiron when they screamed to the world that they had finally broken the Owen record and it came out in the wash that it was still below that figure (may be misremembering however).

[Pata]

Yeah, I've never trusted that figure and don't think it has ever been confirmed. Just made no sense unless it was some weird favour to an agent to maybe hide something shady done by Ashley/us before, tinfoil hat firmly on.

 

 

Edited February 27, 2024 by Pata

[Beth]

9 minutes ago, Pata said:

Yeah, I've never trusted that figure and don't think it has ever been confirmed. Just made no sense unless it was some weird favour to an agent to maybe hide something shady done by Ashley/us before, tinfoil hat firmly on.

 

 

 

I think 40m was the total including agents fees, wages etc. Remember the Ashley regime used to add this onto the transfer fees to make it look like he was splashing the cash. I doubt Hoffenheim saw more than half that alledged transfer fee.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Pandamninator said:

Was anyone ever able to validate the 40m figure (either in the accounts or sources)? To me it always seemed made up BS and on brand for Fatty to inflate how much we were spending.

 

IIRC they did the same thing with Almiron when they screamed to the world that they had finally broken the Owen record and it came out in the wash that it was still below that figure (may be misremembering however).

 

Hoffenheim put something out saying it was the largest transfer fee they'd ever received for a player. Previously it had been £29m for Firmino so I don't have any reason to doubt it. 

[joeyt]

I think I remember Joelinton and ASM both had the same agent and we bought them in the same summer, it felt strange at the time

 

I'm surprised we spent £40mil on a player and he's only on about £40k a week

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 minutes ago, joeyt said:

I think I remember Joelinton and ASM both had the same agent and we bought them in the same summer, it felt strange at the time

 

I'm surprised we spent £40mil on a player and he's only on about £40k a week

The Joelinton signing was very weird. Spend nothing for ages and then suddenly pick him to spend £40m on. 

[FLUMPO235]

53 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

The Joelinton signing was very weird. Spend nothing for ages and then suddenly pick him to spend £40m on. 

Didn’t that break our transfer records too? Was odd as fuck.

[Interpolic]

Just now, FLUMPO235 said:

Didn’t that break our transfer records too? Was odd as fuck.

 

We broke our transfer record in the January (£20m on Almiron, finally passing Owen), Rafa left in the summer, then we broke it again for Joelinton (£40m) and spent about £20m on ASM.  Ashley had quite the six-month splurge.

[The College Dropout]

The transfer fee didn't make any sense.

[joeyt]

10 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

The transfer fee didn't make any sense.

 

That's why I felt it was an agent favour with ASM

 

I think Rafa thought Joelinton had some canny attributes but he didn't want to spend £40mil on him. Bruce was barely in the job before we spent that much on him

[The College Dropout]

Just now, joeyt said:

 

That's why I felt it was an agent favour with ASM

 

I think Rafa thought Joelinton had some canny attributes but he didn't want to spend £40mil on him. Bruce was barely in the job before we spent that much on him

Definitely signed above Bruce's head.

 

I feel like Bruce had decent "talent ID" at other clubs. Or Wigan had a mean connect in South America and Hull had a mean connect in the football league.

[timeEd32]

We had gotten money for Mitrovic and Merino the summer before and then Ayoze that summer. It is weird though. Ashley probably lost a bet with that agent.

[TRon]

4 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

We had gotten money for Mitrovic and Merino the summer before and then Ayoze that summer. It is weird though. Ashley probably lost a bet with that agent.

 

Or that agent went halfers on the commission and deposited the proceeds in a mysterious offshore bank account under the name of Myke Cashley.

[PauloGeordio]

First comment:

 

“The negotiations should go something like this. Joelinton says how much he wants and they agree. We can’t afford to lose him when we could potentially lose Bruno too” 

 

bet this is sorted promptly ?

[gbandit]

Agreed, the only way this doesn’t get sorted is if Jow is desperate to leave which I don’t think is the case. Keeping Bruno without CL football is a different challenge 

[TBG]

Didn't Bruce walk in on Joelinton doing an interview when signing and you could tell Joe didn't have a clue who Bruce was. 

[r0cafella]

Ugh not to defend Ashworth but it’s indeed his job to hold down wages and keep us in line given our FFP constraints. 
 

most people in his position don’t just run out and give out the numbers agents demand, most contract negotiations for big players are strung out and often take a lot of back and forth to get resolved. 

[80]

27 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Ugh not to defend Ashworth but it’s indeed his job to hold down wages and keep us in line given our FFP constraints. 
 

most people in his position don’t just run out and give out the numbers agents demand, most contract negotiations for big players are strung out and often take a lot of back and forth to get resolved. 

Definitely some truth in that.

[macphisto]

35 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Ugh not to defend Ashworth but it’s indeed his job to hold down wages and keep us in line given our FFP constraints. 
 

most people in his position don’t just run out and give out the numbers agents demand, most contract negotiations for big players are strung out and often take a lot of back and forth to get resolved. 

If the NUFC offer drastically changes then it completely undermines Ashworth and the DoF role as players and agents will just start to drag out talks until they talk directly to Staveley. 

[GideonShandy]

Doubt the owners are too worried about undermining the club gardener.

[Pandamninator]

20 minutes ago, GideonShandy said:

Doubt the owners are too worried about undermining the club gardener.

Until we get dead pigeons piling up around the stadium again.

[macphisto]

24 minutes ago, GideonShandy said:

Doubt the owners are too worried about undermining the club gardener. 

Agree on Ashworth himself but that's why I said the role too as you have to consider the next DoF. Take the individuals out of it, the club's offer shouldn't be that different to what was previously offered. Otherwise people will know the DoF doesn't have any real authority.