Joelinton: will not play against Everton (Howe)

[HalloNUFC]

Aren't we overanalysing an off day performance?

[Displayname]

The yellow card might have been the deciding factor in taking him off, really limits his play.

[Astroblack]

51 minutes ago, Displayname said:

The yellow card might have been the deciding factor in taking him off, really limits his play.

Agree, he was bossing the midfield up until they scored. Good tactical change from Eddie. 

[Zero]

8 hours ago, Mikky said:

Scored the winner vs Southampton - set up winner vs Spurs (in 4 matches)

yea of coz he can still contribute - or else he won’t have any sales value.

 

just look at how and when Real Madrid get rid of Casemiro.

[Lush Vlad]

First 10 minutes or so. I thought we were on for another big Joelinton display. Kept winning it back, popping up in the right place to intercept passes, box to box. 
 

Then he dropped off. Caught on the ball, not offering much with his passing. Then he had his customary head loss after disagreeing with the ref. Before getting more annoyed and then finally the needless yellow. 

I love his passion and he mostly channels his aggression well. But I was saying some mates yesterday. You can watch him building up and getting more annoyed over a few fouls or incidents. He then feels like a walking yellow and possibly worse after that. 
 

Not sure it is something you can sort and you wouldn’t want to take that drive and aggression away. But it is a hinderance at times. Along with some of his limitations on the ball. 

[Sibierski]

I think him being asked to play intrinsic passes is showing his lack of game, but he’s still got a strong place. Think in games where we are expected to have most of the ball, Willock / Bruno / Tonali is the midfield for me. Games where we’re expecting it to be even and face pressure / pace on transition, Bruno / Joe / Tonali. 
 

Would like to see Joe play in that instance the disciplined CDM, breaking play up and just rolling it off simply to the nearest man, leave Bruno the position higher to take ball on half turn and damage further forward without compromising lack of protection. 

[Menace]

Again, not talking about his performances - he's mostly been fine. Talking about kicking the psr can further down the road. The decision will come where a big name goes, I'd rather it was Joe whilst he still has good sellable value rather than someone who's trajectory is much higher.

 

Its an uneasy conversation to have but we absolutely will sell a big name within the next 2 years.

[80]

40 minutes ago, Menace said:

Again, not talking about his performances - he's mostly been fine. Talking about kicking the psr can further down the road. The decision will come where a big name goes, I'd rather it was Joe whilst he still has good sellable value rather than someone who's trajectory is much higher.

 

Its an uneasy conversation to have but we absolutely will sell a big name within the next 2 years.

It's the reality of the situation, as you say.

[nufcjb]

Apart from the fouls and the booking he got, think he won us possesion on numerous occasions early on. I just don't see anyone else who can play that bulldozer way he does. I actually said it yesterday at half time that our players were weak as piss on the ball, but big Joe would probably be last on that list.

 

 

Edited September 16, 2024 by nufcjb

[Cf]

I don't want Joelinton sold, and if it wasn't for PSR it's not a discussion we'd ever be having.

 

But I think at full strength he doesn't make the starting 11 more often than not. Superb bench option though, and there'll be games we want to play him.

 

So I can see the argument in a PSR world why 40m+ for him would be appealing.

[Geogaddi]

Scored the winner against Southampton and pretty much created the winner against Spurs  , one bad half dosnt mean he's not one of our most important players all of a sudden, He has played far better than Bruno this season as well who seems to be immune to any form of criticism compared to other players .

[TRon]

54 minutes ago, Menace said:

Again, not talking about his performances - he's mostly been fine. Talking about kicking the psr can further down the road. The decision will come where a big name goes, I'd rather it was Joe whilst he still has good sellable value rather than someone who's trajectory is much higher.

 

Its an uneasy conversation to have but we absolutely will sell a big name within the next 2 years.

 

The sooner we get used to this idea the better we will be served long term. It's not that any of them are bad players, but they all have a peak value which starts to depreciate over time. It's fine if you are winning stuff already or qualifying for CL, but when you don't, then that's another year and less money to play with to get you where you want to be.

[TRC]

1 hour ago, Menace said:

Again, not talking about his performances - he's mostly been fine. Talking about kicking the psr can further down the road. The decision will come where a big name goes, I'd rather it was Joe whilst he still has good sellable value rather than someone who's trajectory is much higher.

 

Its an uneasy conversation to have but we absolutely will sell a big name within the next 2 years.

Yep, we could miss out on his window like he did with Miggy.

[Astroblack]

The thing about Joelinton is it just doesn’t feel like any other team would want him. We paid £40 mil and we’re not going to see anything close to that. He won’t be used as effectively anywhere else but here. Basically, he’s worth more to us than any other team. 

[aussiemag]

1 hour ago, Astroblack said:

The thing about Joelinton is it just doesn’t feel like any other team would want him. We paid £40 mil and we’re not going to see anything close to that. He won’t be used as effectively anywhere else but here. Basically, he’s worth more to us than any other team. 

 

I think most teams would want an in-form Joelinton . His issue right now is consistency and fitness. When inform hes a beast. 

[Erikse]

13 minutes ago, aussiemag said:

 

I think most teams would want an in-form Joelinton . His issue right now is consistency and fitness. When inform hes a beast. 

 

The likes of Villa and West Ham would probably be interested unless our pricing is too high, but I feel like he lacks the quality on the ball required to play for top teams. He has never really been effective against low blocks for instance.

 

 

Edited September 17, 2024 by Erikse

[OverThere]

Jeez a guy has a bit of an off day and it's like he's some kind of bum.

[Coffee_Johnny]

2 hours ago, Astroblack said:

The thing about Joelinton is it just doesn’t feel like any other team would want him. We paid £40 mil and we’re not going to see anything close to that. He won’t be used as effectively anywhere else but here. Basically, he’s worth more to us than any other team. 

Well, he’s picked up five caps for Brazil at age of 27. Four years or so after we signed him. He’s a very important part of our squad. We know how he can play—nobody is 100% all the time— and we should just look forward to seeing that kind of form intermittently throughout the season; hopefully when matters most. 

[Mazzy]

He seems angrier than normal this season and it feels like that's affecting his performances. Perhaps a confidence thing after missing so much of last season and not ending it particularly well either.

 

He was actually pretty decent for the first 20 minutes against Wolves, but a couple of bad passes and a foul (that wasn't a foul) that the ref didn't give his way and the game got away from him.

[huss9]

8 hours ago, OverThere said:

Jeez a guy has a bit of an off day and it's like he's some kind of bum.

yeah just astonishing.

[KaKa]

11 hours ago, Astroblack said:

The thing about Joelinton is it just doesn’t feel like any other team would want him. We paid £40 mil and we’re not going to see anything close to that. He won’t be used as effectively anywhere else but here. Basically, he’s worth more to us than any other team. 

 

Simeone at Atletico would sign him in a heartbeat, and many others I suspect.

 

He just needs to concentrate during games and stop getting so wound up.

 

He is still plenty good enough. Just a reminder of what he gives the team, and what other teams would gladly get, regardless of how clumsy it might look every now and then ... 

 

 

 

Edited September 17, 2024 by KaKa

[Tsunami]

He deserves to keep his place for now but Willock is a perfect 60-65 minute sub for him. Once he's suspended (which won’t be long) he might struggle to get back in.
 

Willock, Bruno and Tonali has real potential, Bruno’s lack of pace should be less concerning, the need for Big Jo to act as an enforcer then hopefully becomes less of a requirement.

 

One thing for sure is that Longstaff, Bruno and Big Jo as a 3 isn’t the way forward.

[Lotus]

I feel like JL does most of his good defending when he’s running back and tackling an unsuspecting opponent. He has the desire, engine, pace and strength to do this very effectively. Don’t think he reads the game well to play as a 6 and I don’t think he has the mindset of safety first about his passing either.

He’s best for us as an attacking midfielder who will absolutely help out in recovering the ball. 
He can pass well but he has tendency for high risk high reward passes that you would expect from a forward player. Those are best done further from our goal, obvs.

[dcmk]

On 17/09/2024 at 00:16, Astroblack said:

The thing about Joelinton is it just doesn’t feel like any other team would want him. We paid £40 mil and we’re not going to see anything close to that. He won’t be used as effectively anywhere else but here. Basically, he’s worth more to us than any other team. 

 

Why exactly?

 

We have a habit of downplaying our players after a few average games. He's a beast when in-form.  

 

[Shearergol]

He needs to do some yoga or something and chill out. He can be a beast without wanting to go full WWE.