ExiledGeordie Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 If he can improve his finishing and add a few goals god what a player we have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 I honestly think he’s one screamer away from being the ultimate beast. Just needs one to go in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Well he scored against the Bees last time out... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 6 hours ago, Ronson333 said: I honestly think he’s one screamer away from being the ultimate beast. Just needs one to go in. Think this too. Once one goes in, we might see things turn around on that front. It's like any barren striker run. He was always built up to be a monster finisher on the training ground prior to Howe. Odd how he seems to fall apart. Also. A lot of talk about him getting called up for Brazil on this current form.. only two more years and he can naturalize and represent England as he comes into his peak years ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Player of the season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Only competition is Trippier, and he's only played 4 times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I realise this will be an unpopular opinion and I could be in for a flaming here but I think needs to do more at one end of the pitch or the other. I'm not sure he can legitimately play as a top 10 (of the table, not the world) 6 or DM in neuspeak. I think if EH had seen the tactical discipline he would be there already. He's good enough at getting a foot in, is strong and has a good engine so it must be his positioning and anticipation of tracking the late runners. That's the defensive end of the pitch. As for the other end, I don't think he carries the ball well enough, nor dribble effectively and he doesn't he play regular defence splitting passes/assists. He doesn't arrive late in the box and score either. He's good bang in the middle, throwing himself about and disrupting the opposition and then laying the ball off if he gets it. I like him, I love his effort and everyone loves a redemption story but I don't see him as a Makele or Pirlo and at the other end he's not a Kaka or Rui Costa. I think ultimately he will have to consistently produce in one of those roles if he stays a CM. Personally I think from a tactical POV, he's most at risk from Bruno's arrival. I Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Lotus said: I realise this will be an unpopular opinion and I could be in for a flaming here but I think needs to do more at one end of the pitch or the other. I'm not sure he can legitimately play as a top 10 (of the table, not the world) 6 or DM in neuspeak. I think if EH had seen the tactical discipline he would be there already. He's good enough at getting a foot in, is strong and has a good engine so it must be his positioning and anticipation of tracking the late runners. That's the defensive end of the pitch. As for the other end, I don't think he carries the ball well enough, nor dribble effectively and he doesn't he play regular defence splitting passes/assists. He doesn't arrive late in the box and score either. He's good bang in the middle, throwing himself about and disrupting the opposition and then laying the ball off if he gets it. I like him, I love his effort and everyone loves a redemption story but I don't see him as a Makele or Pirlo and at the other end he's not a Kaka or Rui Costa. I think ultimately he will have to consistently produce in one of those roles if he stays a CM. Personally I think from a tactical POV, he's most at risk from Bruno's arrival. I I see what you're saying and it's a point well made but midfielders are made in different moulds. Could he be like a Jordan Henderson role for Liverpool? Or a Clarence Seedorf, he was a bit of both type of midfielder. Or even a Toni Kroos type. Not hugely attacking, nor hugely defensive either of them but very good midfielders who were integral to how their teams played. In terms of ex NUFC players is he similar to a Jenas (albeit a stronger version), someone mobile, athletic who can go from box to box without possessing huge speed or other attributes, a generalist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I was genuinely thinking of Jenas!!!! A muscular Jenas. But tbh, Jenas had a few assists irc. Kroos was absolutely great at pinging the ball around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 His style of play reminds me of Dembele and there's absolutely a place in our team for that kind of player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, The Prophet said: His style of play reminds me of Dembele and there's absolutely a place in our team for that kind of player. Well Dembele a lot of Spurs players have said was key to their success and it all started to go downhill after he left. Trippier in fact said they would have won the CL final if Dembele was playing. So that all bodes well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outremont Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) Dembele had more creative attributes. I think it’s a point well made. To be elite he needs to improve his passing ala Kante. At the moment he is playing a McTominay disrupter role. We need more than that in the long run. Edited February 22, 2022 by Outremont Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 On 20/02/2022 at 02:28, GeordieDazzler said: Well he scored against the Bees last time out... Also totally fluffed what would've been a winner too :-( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 12 hours ago, Lotus said: I realise this will be an unpopular opinion and I could be in for a flaming here but I think needs to do more at one end of the pitch or the other. I'm not sure he can legitimately play as a top 10 (of the table, not the world) 6 or DM in neuspeak. I think if EH had seen the tactical discipline he would be there already. He's good enough at getting a foot in, is strong and has a good engine so it must be his positioning and anticipation of tracking the late runners. That's the defensive end of the pitch. As for the other end, I don't think he carries the ball well enough, nor dribble effectively and he doesn't he play regular defence splitting passes/assists. He doesn't arrive late in the box and score either. He's good bang in the middle, throwing himself about and disrupting the opposition and then laying the ball off if he gets it. I like him, I love his effort and everyone loves a redemption story but I don't see him as a Makele or Pirlo and at the other end he's not a Kaka or Rui Costa. I think ultimately he will have to consistently produce in one of those roles if he stays a CM. Personally I think from a tactical POV, he's most at risk from Bruno's arrival. I It's not a bad post, I think a lot of people will have had similar thoughts, but it's assuming midfielders value is either purely at one end of the pitch or the other. Seems to me what Joelinton provides is the engine, the box to box stuff where he is dominating the central area which is surely the essence of what you want from a midfielder. Bear in mind, some teams play with two defensive midfielders, depending on their style of football. Vieira and Petit from Wenger's legendary Arsenal team weren't really defensive or offensive midfielders, they just totally dominated the central area and destroyed the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Dembele scored 7 goals in 181 games for Spurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outremont Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Hanshithispantz said: Dembele scored 7 goals in 181 games for Spurs. You’re right, take a look at this: Dembele 243 apps, 12 goals, 12 assists J7 93 apps, 7 goals, 5 assists J7 equivalent apps to Dembele 18 goals (+6), 13 assists (+1) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 6 hours ago, TRon said: It's not a bad post, I think a lot of people will have had similar thoughts, but it's assuming midfielders value is either purely at one end of the pitch or the other. Seems to me what Joelinton provides is the engine, the box to box stuff where he is dominating the central area which is surely the essence of what you want from a midfielder. Bear in mind, some teams play with two defensive midfielders, depending on their style of football. Vieira and Petit from Wenger's legendary Arsenal team weren't really defensive or offensive midfielders, they just totally dominated the central area and destroyed the opposition. I get that point and I’m not saying I’m right, it’s just a feeling I’ve got. Thing is, Vieira and Petit did actually contribute at either end as well. That’s what I think JL needs to bring to his game. I’m not saying he can’t. Just that right now, he isn’t. Vieira and Petit also had the benefit of Bergkamp dropping from deep but seeing as we’re not playing with a 10 I think both CMs, i.e. JL and JW have to show some stats in one box or the other. JW is tbf. That’s why I have a gut feeling, once Bruno has made the physical adaptation he’ll replace JL in that position. I would hope JL proves very effective in a new position, perhaps in Fraser’s spot but slightly deeper and more central, proving cover for when Trips is back and making bombing runs down the right. JL might also do better exerting his physicality against a fullback rather than a CB. Guess we’ll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 21 hours ago, STM said: Player of the season? Has to be doesn't he. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 As good as he’s been for us since Howe took over, I’m hoping we start next season with a whole new midfield that includes Bruno at the heart of it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Lotus said: I get that point and I’m not saying I’m right, it’s just a feeling I’ve got. Thing is, Vieira and Petit did actually contribute at either end as well. That’s what I think JL needs to bring to his game. I’m not saying he can’t. Just that right now, he isn’t. Vieira and Petit also had the benefit of Bergkamp dropping from deep but seeing as we’re not playing with a 10 I think both CMs, i.e. JL and JW have to show some stats in one box or the other. JW is tbf. That’s why I have a gut feeling, once Bruno has made the physical adaptation he’ll replace JL in that position. I would hope JL proves very effective in a new position, perhaps in Fraser’s spot but slightly deeper and more central, proving cover for when Trips is back and making bombing runs down the right. JL might also do better exerting his physicality against a fullback rather than a CB. Guess we’ll see. What did Vieira and Petit contribute at either end specifically that Joelinton doesn't? Obviously they were better players, but from what I recall they did a similar sort of job, just generally bossed the pitch box to box without specialising in either defending or attacking. Don't recall either of them scoring loads of goals, and Joelinton tracks back and helps out defence pretty diligently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TRon said: What did Vieira and Petit contribute at either end specifically that Joelinton doesn't? Obviously they were better players, but from what I recall they did a similar sort of job, just generally bossed the pitch box to box without specialising in either defending or attacking. Don't recall either of them scoring loads of goals, and Joelinton tracks back and helps out defence pretty diligently. They didn’t score goals or many. But they were far from just defensive players, their entire attack or press at the time which was kind of new to the league despite KK’s side doing it in our debut season in the PL (but, not from midfield), was down to Vieira and Petit and got even extra legs when Gilberto signed who was for my money, Vieira if he could play football. Edited February 22, 2022 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 5 hours ago, HTT II said: They didn’t score goals or many. But they were far from just defensive players, their entire attack or press at the time which was kind of new to the league despite KK’s side doing it in our debut season in the PL (but, not from midfield), was down to Vieira and Petit and got even extra legs when Gilberto signed who was for my money, Vieira if he could play football. That was my point as well really, they weren't really defensive or offensive, they were just box to box, bossing the central area of the pitch in tandem. Obviously they were fantastic footballers technically as well, but it's sort of a similar role to what Joelinton's doing, without either being a specialist in either defensive or offensive positions. Again, I'm not saying JL is in any way that calibre of player, just a similar mold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 The guy has come so far under Howe that we are comparing his style of play to Vieira - amazing stuff - I can’t get enough of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krybel Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Cult hero! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) Think I came when he did that pirouette Edited February 26, 2022 by Klaus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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