joeyt Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Aye it's definitely not him running his Twitter account Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 I thought he played well tbh. Seems to have reached that stage this type of player does where the chances created are just expected and unless there's a match winking moment each game he's called dissapointing. First thing I saw on twitter today was a suggestion to bench him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 I think Howe hasnt quite worked out how to best use him yet - same with Willock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalidao Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 I'm fairly surprised how some aren't pleased with ASM performances. Maybe higher expectations compared to his teammates? But the man is pure magic every time he touches the ball. It's only natural for a dribbler like him to take on his man every time even at his own half. Once Howe set up the team to attack more and defend high up the pitch, ASM will cause havoc to opposition defenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Some nice phases and touches as usual (for the most part). Lovely chipped/dinked ball into the box, that was classy. He has it...how much does he WANT it. Is the question for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) Doesn't get much credit for his hold up play, this lad. Didn't necessarily show it much yesterday but I've noticed his ability to retain possession with his back to the goal is second to none considering he's not traditionally built to do that. Also think he's better suited and more affective as a winger rather than through the centre. He's obviosuly had success through the centre but I'd just love to see him in more 1 on 1 situations and just let him do his thing. His off the ball movement needs to improving (like pthers tbf) as well, could be so much more dangerous if he was willing to make runs through the lines. Edited December 5, 2021 by Thumbheed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Khalidao said: I'm fairly surprised how some aren't pleased with ASM performances. Maybe higher expectations compared to his teammates? But the man is pure magic every time he touches the ball. It's only natural for a dribbler like him to take on his man every time even at his own half. Once Howe set up the team to attack more and defend high up the pitch, ASM will cause havoc to opposition defenses. Same. Thought this was his best performance since Howe took over. Was involved all over the pitch and was a constant menace to Burnley. Along with Shelvey and Joelinton, he was showing the best control of the ball under pressure. Yes he's going to lose it a few times because he's attacking defenders, but he wins those tussles a surprising number of times, and that leads to goal scoring opportunities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 On 05/12/2021 at 11:40, Lazarus said: I think Howe hasnt quite worked out how to best use him yet - same with Willock. I think it's a case of ASM learning how to use himself. When to give the simple pass and when he is needed to do something special. I think this will develop as the team improves and we begin to take shape. He's still quite young and has been the star turn for two seasons. Time to knuckle down and improve his understanding of the game. Not a criticism of him, I hope he'll grow into a more responsible player in the next couple of years, without losing any of the magic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Appreciate that this will not be shared by many folks but this guy is actually a major part of the problem imho. Yes he can win us games 'on his own' but, when he's not, which is 90% of the time he's actually a liability in terms of shape, defensive contribution and also chance creation. Wilson said recently that he didn't have a clue what ASM was going to do when he had the ball. I think this also renders his attacking contribution less effective too because he's unpredictable. Wilson would thrive on knowing he was playing with someone who would just recieve the ball, knock it past his man and whip a ball consistently to the same post. If he played for a good team (Liverpool, City etc) he'd be a show pony off the bench when they needed a wildcard or when a game was already won. I know he's Mr Popular and should imagine the typical response might be 'he's the least of our problems' but I actually think he's making us worse as a unit and therefore not the least of our issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) He has been absolute shite since Bruce left and only then he was a MOTD top highlights type player. He needs to step it up massively. Edited December 12, 2021 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed210 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just look up and pass ! Find myself shouting it at him tens of times a match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 He's frustrating when things are going against us. He's still the most exciting player we have, but I don't think he'll stick around if we go down. In a team like Dortmund he would cause havoc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, Minhosa said: Appreciate that this will not be shared by many folks but this guy is actually a major part of the problem imho. Yes he can win us games 'on his own' but, when he's not, which is 90% of the time he's actually a liability in terms of shape, defensive contribution and also chance creation. Wilson said recently that he didn't have a clue what ASM was going to do when he had the ball. I think this also renders his attacking contribution less effective too because he's unpredictable. Wilson would thrive on knowing he was playing with someone who would just recieve the ball, knock it past his man and whip a ball consistently to the same post. If he played for a good team (Liverpool, City etc) he'd be a show pony off the bench when they needed a wildcard or when a game was already won. I know he's Mr Popular and should imagine the typical response might be 'he's the least of our problems' but I actually think he's making us worse as a unit and therefore not the least of our issues. Agree with this Really like the guy and he's a joy to watch but until the end of the season he needs to do the dirty work better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, HTT II said: He has been absolute shite since Bruce left and only then he was a MOTD top highlights type player. He needs to step it up massively. Absolute nonsense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just now, joeyt said: Absolute nonsense Really, he’s been shit most of the season mate, he’s a highlight reel player. He needs to do far more, several times today he tried to beat his man, and when he couldn’t, he gave up after his man won the ball off of him and advanced. I rate him btw, but right now he’s been one of our worse performers and it’s now up to Howe to make sure that doesn’t continue, and if so, drop him, I don’t care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awaymag Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 just pass the ball more. He attracts 2 or 3 of the opposition all the time, because they're scared of what he can do. That creates space so please use it. Draw the players in and then a simple pass inside or outside and that's 2 or 3 players out of the attack. He reminds me of a player in my youngest son's team. Was fast and skilful but never passed, the rest of his teammates stopped trying to support him as they knew they weren't going to get the ball. He left at the end of the season to go onto a better team apparently but my sons team are just happy that they could actually play as a team again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Certainly been less effective and more frustrating - almiron has been the same but counters it with workrate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 He has all of the skill in the world but no brain, which is why 9/10 his end product is gash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Fantail Breeze said: He has all of the skill in the world but no brain, which is why 9/10 his end product is gash. To be fair if he had more end product then he wouldn’t be at NUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Menace said: He's frustrating when things are going against us. He's still the most exciting player we have, but I don't think he'll stick around if we go down. In a team like Dortmund he would cause havoc. Yeah, no doubt that he's our most exciting player and he can be completely unplayable on his day. My point was more about his overall contribution over the course of a season I guess. I know it's a ridiculous statement but when he's not unplayable, he's not worth playing. Anyway, no doubt he'll grab a hatrick soon and make me look a prick . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 These types of players get called an Enigma Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 He's Hatem Ben Arfa MK II - we all know this. He wants total creative freedom, this is why he loved Bruce. He cannot be given total creative freedom because then he gets lost. I can't believe I'm quoting Alan Pardew, but when he had Hatem at his best he said words to the effect of; "When Hatem has the ball its his world, when he doesn't it's my world." That's Saint-Maximin. He has one truly elite level skill and that's dribbling. The rest are a bit lower on the scale. That's enough to decide games if channelled correctly. I think it says so much about who he is that his biggest moments for us have often come when games are stretched. I wouldn't advocate making him an impact sub, but you have to keep him motivated until the 60th minute when things start to open up a bit. If you let him get into his own head then he's neither use nor ornament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 This sort of thinking gets you Ryan Taylor at right wing because he can cross and graft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 I know everyone's convinced he's a winger bit I think we'd be better off with big Joe out wide and him uptop off Wilson. Can't have a winger that is so lazy and poor defensively when we already have two centre mids that offer no protection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just now, Jaqen said: I know everyone's convinced he's a winger bit I think we'd be better off with big Joe out wide and him uptop off Wilson. Can't have a winger that is so lazy and poor defensively when we already have two centre mids that offer no protection. Has he even had a good game when he's played off Wilson? I think he gets lost where there's many bodies in the middle of the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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