BoSelecta Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I think they opposite, hoping they’ll tire and if we’re still there or there abouts with 20 minutes to go we’ve got a great chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Fair enough, I just feel if we're 1-0 up after 30 mins we'll win, if we haven't scored by then, we won't. Get the early goal and they have to come at us more and more gaps appear on the break. If we sit back early on I think it's just a wasted opportunity given they'll have had a late finish on the Thursday and they've started games poorly recently anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Yeah I completely get your point and agree we’ll look to start quick as we always do. Obviously the dream scenario is getting ahead early but if we’re still in the game last 20 we should be all over them. The team selection will be very interesting in that regard as bringing on ASM against tired legs could be the difference. If he starts our bench looks a bit weaker in terms of changing the game. Let’s see how Howe plays it. I have a feeling it will be big Jo/Willock with Maxi off the bench but would be more than happy with ASM starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I don't think we should sit back. But not conceding in the first 20 minutes of our first cup final in 20+ years is crucial. Concede once early, we could easily concede 2 because it's such a big game and heads could go. We go 2 down like we did against Liverpool and it's curtains. The likes of Fernandes, Rashford & Shaw will have played loads of minutes recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I’m worried about the balls being played in behind our defence for Rashford and Sancho. That’s why I’d be tempted to play Willock as we need to keep good pressure on the ball to stop the pass being played. We can’t be having a situation like on Saturday when a player like Trent was given all the time in the world to look up and spot a pass Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, andyc35i said: I’m worried about the balls being played in behind our defence for Rashford and Sancho. That’s why I’d be tempted to play Willock as we need to keep good pressure on the ball to stop the pass being played. We can’t be having a situation like on Saturday when a player like Trent was given all the time in the world to look up and spot a pass I get the criticism of ASM on that to a degree. But it is still horrendous defending behind him and I feel like too much is being made out of ASM's contribution (or lack of) for that goal. Good ball under little to no pressure or not. You could have driven a bus through that gap and we have not been like that this season at the back. Trippier dropped slightly and then started shouting for hand ball and offside. Instead of just getting on with fully tucking in behind Schar to cover the run. Schar just seemed a bit blasé about it all and didn't seem to know what was going on. Both were similar for the second goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: Fair enough, I just feel if we're 1-0 up after 30 mins we'll win, if we haven't scored by then, we won't. Get the early goal and they have to come at us more and more gaps appear on the break. If we sit back early on I think it's just a wasted opportunity given they'll have had a late finish on the Thursday and they've started games poorly recently anyway. Agree with this. Froggy has already mentioned they have been starting slowly the last couple of weeks. We have been starting games pretty well of late, bar Bournemouth. Where the whole game was poor from us. Not checked the numbers. But it has seemed like the teams that have played in Europe in the week, have then had a bit of a sluggish start or poor first half in their next game. Followed by getting it together a bit in the second. Sitting back and letting them get up a head of steam wouldn't be ideal, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 48 minutes ago, andyc35i said: I’m worried about the balls being played in behind our defence for Rashford and Sancho. That’s why I’d be tempted to play Willock as we need to keep good pressure on the ball to stop the pass being played. We can’t be having a situation like on Saturday when a player like Trent was given all the time in the world to look up and spot a pass If we are going to play the high press, then the likes of Schar need to be wide awake to the chance of a counter. He's been great all season, but him and Burn have looked a bit lost at times in the last few weeks. Something's not quite right at the back, it might not even be them individually, could be a collective thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 46 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: I get the criticism of ASM on that to a degree. But it is still horrendous defending behind him and I feel like too much is being made out of ASM's contribution (or lack of) for that goal. Good ball under little to no pressure or not. You could have driven a bus through that gap and we have not been like that this season at the back. Trippier dropped slightly and then started shouting for hand ball and offside. Instead of just getting on with fully tucking in behind Schar to cover the run. Schar just seemed a bit blasé about it all and didn't seem to know what was going on. Both were similar for the second goal. I take your point and I’d blame Trippier more for both goals. He dropped deep for both goals and then didn’t track the run from Nunez on the first - instead he seemed to be concerned about Robertson out wide when that was never the main threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 The key to success for ASM is getting him 1v1 with a defender. To get the best out of him, he needs to play with Targett and Isak. Isak loves to come wide and combine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) It’s more important for us atm who plays behind ASM, you know with Burn and Joe on that side we will retain our defensive solidity even without ASM risking his fitness by having to put in a Miggy like shift in terms of ground covered. Edited February 23, 2023 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 hours ago, The College Dropout said: The key to success for ASM is getting him 1v1 with a defender. To get the best out of him, he needs to play with Targett and Isak. Isak loves to come wide and combine. It's obviously our best line-up on paper. I really miss Targett at left back, he was brilliant coming forward and getting into dangerous areas, let alone the options from set pieces he gives us. Burns out of form at the moment but he's been part of the team that's got us to the final. Everything about Howe's management screams loyalty so I don't see any scenario where Burn isn't starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 ASM needs to be free. He exposes anyone behind him. Cant rely on him to track back. But left alone behind a striker, with freedom to roam left/right, he could be lethal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, HawK said: It's obviously our best line-up on paper. I really miss Targett at left back, he was brilliant coming forward and getting into dangerous areas, let alone the options from set pieces he gives us. Burns out of form at the moment but he's been part of the team that's got us to the final. Everything about Howe's management screams loyalty so I don't see any scenario where Burn isn't starting. I fully expect Burn to start and be number 1 for the foreseeable future even when targett is back. But as a ASM observation. He needs someone to link up with to create 1v1 situations. Isak is maybe more important to that than Targett. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Constant threat today, the only player consistently trying to make something happen in the final third. Would like to see Targett behind him on the left hand side going forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Think it was a mistake taking him off when we did. Made no sense when Miggy had offered fuck all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Our only decent attacking player today. Should've stayed on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Infuriating as ever at times, but it's obvious he needs to start. The criticism of his lack of "support" for Burn is really frustrating tbh. You don't pick a winger to accommodate your full back's weaknesses, you pick a full back to accommodate for your winger's weaknesses. I've defended Burn at full back, but it's time for MT to come back in with ASM in front of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Yup. Target is good going forward and will give the overlap/second option for ASM to utilise. Burn sadly looks very much the square peg in a round hole at full back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 I'd be tempted to sell if we could get two more forwards in the summer, if not keep him for one more season as backup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, Jordan said: Think it was a mistake taking him off when we did. Made no sense when Miggy had offered fuck all. Agreed, thought that was a strange sub by Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 He needs to start but in that free role off Isak in a front 2. Not sure Isak is best suited to that though. There is too much pressure on Burn playing the formation we do and ASM not tracking back as much as needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Andy said: Infuriating as ever at times, but it's obvious he needs to start. The criticism of his lack of "support" for Burn is really frustrating tbh. You don't pick a winger to accommodate your full back's weaknesses, you pick a full back to accommodate for your winger's weaknesses. I've defended Burn at full back, but it's time for MT to come back in with ASM in front of him. Fair point. I wasn't thrilled with ASM's performance today, but he isn't going to get much support from the left back while Burn is there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 He’s done for me. We can get a lot better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 He's done ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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