Thomson Mouse Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 On 27/02/2023 at 08:59, dcmk said: Class today. Anyone who wants him gone needs their heads shaked. Why? He’s a good player, I just can’t see him doing it here so let him go somewhere else. There’s far better out there that would into the way we’d play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Think there’s a good argument to stick with him for the rest of this season. That’s the only way he has a shot of feeling comfortable and in tune with the team. He does frustrate me obviously, but not much more than a few others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC91 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 As much as Burn has done a great job i think he'd be more suited to Targett behind him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Think there’s a good argument to stick with him for the rest of this season. That’s the only way he has a shot of feeling comfortable and in tune with the team. He does frustrate me obviously, but not much more than a few others. The only argument is to put our best team out, if Howe thinks he’s in it then fine with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Thomson Mouse said: The only argument is to put our best team out, if Howe thinks he’s in it then fine with me. Yep. I still feel the best football we were playing was immediately before the world cup, there seemed to be a lot more intensity, and better one touch passing. Maxi wasn't playing then. But if Howe feels he can get ASM to fit his system then great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 He was also involved in what was possibly our best performance of the season against City and then scored that blockbuster at Wolves. He was good against Forest on the first day, wasn't he? He only played 4 games and was then crocked for months. I do feel like a lot of fans I have spoken to and perhaps some in here (not read back far) are making him a bit of a scapegoat. I feel like it's a bit too simplistic to put our good run of form down to him being out of the team. Then the mini wobble because he is back in the team now. There are a number of factors at play here. His match fitness/sharpness, Bruno being out the team when he came back for 3 starts, Targett being out the team, having to adjust slightly to a different role. It wasn't like we were performing really well every week since the turn of the year, with him not playing. Considering how bad we have been in the final third of late. I think he needs to be starting a lot of games between now and the end of the season. Still get that feeling he might not be around next season or fit into the long term plans. But he's still arguably our best attacking player and we currently don't really create many chances or score goals. So it would be good to see what he can do over the next few months, at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 That's what I meant above, may as well give him a chance now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Lush Vlad said: He was also involved in what was possibly our best performance of the season against City and then scored that blockbuster at Wolves. He was good against Forest on the first day, wasn't he? He only played 4 games and was then crocked for months. I do feel like a lot of fans I have spoken to and perhaps some in here (not read back far) are making him a bit of a scapegoat. I feel like it's a bit too simplistic to put our good run of form down to him being out of the team. Then the mini wobble because he is back in the team now. There are a number of factors at play here. His match fitness/sharpness, Bruno being out the team when he came back for 3 starts, Targett being out the team, having to adjust slightly to a different role. It wasn't like we were performing really well every week since the turn of the year, with him not playing. Considering how bad we have been in the final third of late. I think he needs to be starting a lot of games between now and the end of the season. Still get that feeling he might not be around next season or fit into the long term plans. But he's still arguably our best attacking player and we currently don't really create many chances or score goals. So it would be good to see what he can do over the next few months, at least. It's not about looking for scapegoats, it's about effective team play. ASM's a very exciting player, but he's never going to hit a first time ball to release the striker before the defence knows what's hit them. He'll want to take it, control it, then maybe have a little run at a player or two. Fair play to him, he's one of the best at it, but it also allows defences to regroup. I just think we were playing some really good football for a while with a lot of inter-passing moves, and we aren't seeing it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 I don't think it's unfair to say that we've played consistently better football without ASM under Howe, to date. We've seen some very high peaks with him in the mix though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Was he not in the side at the back end of last season? That Willock / Joe combo on the left is done from an attacking perspective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 48 minutes ago, TRon said: It's not about looking for scapegoats, it's about effective team play. ASM's a very exciting player, but he's never going to hit a first time ball to release the striker before the defence knows what's hit them. He'll want to take it, control it, then maybe have a little run at a player or two. Fair play to him, he's one of the best at it, but it also allows defences to regroup. I just think we were playing some really good football for a while with a lot of inter-passing moves, and we aren't seeing it now. I think he is the perfect counterbalance to Bruno/Miggy/Gordon who are more likely to be direct and look for a quick ball through. If teams look to counter that by sitting back they would then have ASM sitting 25 yards out getting the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) Think Willock has just as many weaknesses as ASM, they're just different ones. We don't have that many genuinely top players, each one is a bit of a gamble. Edited February 28, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 53 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Think Willock has just as many weaknesses as ASM, they're just different ones. We don't have that many genuinely top players, each one is a bit of a gamble. He does, but he plays the team game more effectively. Both defensively. Collectively we move the ball around better when he's playing IMO. But yeah, he's far from top class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Willock is the player I find the most difficult to judge on our team. I have no idea what his level is. Sometimes he looks lethargic and clumsy, then other time he is lightning and creates great opportunities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 thought was good today, needs some luck to come his way to get a goal and hopefully they will start flowing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 On 28/02/2023 at 18:16, TRC said: Willock is the player I find the most difficult to judge on our team. I have no idea what his level is. Sometimes he looks lethargic and clumsy, then other time he is lightning and creates great opportunities. When big joe comes back willock plays instead of ASM for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 That triangle of ASM, Willock and Isak looks tasty. We still need that supporting LB to get the most out of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Played well but I'm not sure he's 100%, his running style seemed a bit awkward at times and he seemed reluctant to open up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 On balance, he's still worth his place in our current situation, but on too many occasions, he just doesn't release the ball at the right time. I'm hoping that we can bring in an upgrade on him in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 He delivered a couple of great balls down the left for Isak. They seem to have a good connection Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Has yet to find the balance in his decision making. He released it instead of going on one of his old runs which I'm convinced would have reaped a result. Developing a lovely understanding with Isak though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 He played great imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Looked gassed after half time but was class in the first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 A threat throughout. Slightly guilty of overplaying it a bit at times, but played well, played some lovely balls to Isak, and you could see they were scared of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 I don’t go to matches, but my season ticket holding friend criticises him a lot and says everyone around him in the East Stand gets really annoyed by him for his work rate, decision-making etc. Is this normal for the rest of the ground and can’t help surely? Funnily enough most other fans I speak to or read online seem far more positive about him. It wasn’t his best game, but I thought he was pretty good. Swear some fans just form a negative opinion on someone easily and go looking for their flaws early on, then convince those around them to groan too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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