Kid Icarus Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 He's absolutely right like. There are people who are absolutely desperate to paint him in a dishonestly negative light. To say no-one was doing that is just flat out wrong, tune in to any Gallowgate Shots episode in the last couple of years and there'll be some mention or argument over him and how prevalent it is online and in SJP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Beren said: ASM for Barnes is a shit deal IMO. Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Find it very hard to believe a significant portion of the NUFC fanbase would be desperate to see the back of a mercurial French left winger that doesn't work hard enough for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 hours ago, TRon said: Still don't see any way we would accept that figure tbh, don't know what the fuck is going on there. Got to be some sort of smokescreen. yes if true this is shocking by the club,brains will cost the same or more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Haven't seen anyone desperate to sell him. Just an acceptance that we're hamstrung by FFP and he's our only saleable asset without selling the likes of Bruno, Isak etc... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Shocked at the reaction to him going, imagine next summer if someone like Bruno gets an offer we can’t refuse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I mean the club and coaching staff will have mountains of data around how we want to play, does ASM fit into that or Barnes. Quite happy to go with them on this. The amount of whining is laughable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Shocked at the reaction to him going, imagine next summer if someone like Bruno gets an offer we can’t refuse Unfortunately due to ffp we still have to sell to buy and as someone has said above the way ffp works is that if we sell someone for £100m you can essentially x4 that in spending power as its amortised over contract length... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkeye Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 We absolutely have to accept that we will sell players. The problem seems to be is that we are all emotionally attached to our better players and cannot seem to face the thought that they could or will move on at some point. I always think that as long as they do not leave to go to another Premier League team, like Aston fuckin Villa then it is easier to take. I will miss Maxi but, have to accept that in order to grow as a club we have to change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Seko Fofana cost somewhere around €25-30m to Saudi apparently. Absolute joke if we're getting less or around the same for ASM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 23 minutes ago, Beren said: ASM for Barnes is a shit deal IMO. I said this yesterday, and loads of recently trained accountants specialising in ffp told me off. I remember the days where Wed kick off if a flair player is sold and replaced with a steady English player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Dokko said: I said this yesterday, and loads of recently trained accountants specialising in ffp told me off. I remember the days where Wed kick off if a flair player is sold and replaced with a steady English player. You think this is seriously about FFP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamPS Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Dokko said: I said this yesterday, and loads of recently trained accountants specialising in ffp told me off. I remember the days where Wed kick off if a flair player is sold and replaced with a steady English player. A lot of fans don’t go to games, or even watch them, and instead follow the team by statistics and graphs - these fans aren’t interested in those edge of seat moments when a player gets the ball and start to run Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cherry Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Keep wondering how swapping 1 goal for 13 from the same position is a shit deal........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, astraguy said: yes if true this is shocking by the club,brains will cost the same or more It's about FFP not actual cost though. Selling St Maximin for £30m nets us about £24m this season. Buying Barnes for £40m would cost us about £6.6m this season (on 6 year deal for instance). The sale could potentially allow us to make 3 big signings while still fitting into FFP rules. Outside of FFP Barnes is just a better player IMO. He's injured less, a much better team player and scores and assists more. Edited July 19, 2023 by Teasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Max Cherry said: Keep wondering how swapping 1 goal for 13 from the same position is a shit deal........ Barnes has a lower expected hard-ons for people who like stepovers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Im just happy that football fans these days have to be expert accountats now thanks to FFP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, WilliamPS said: A lot of fans don’t go to games, or even watch them, and instead follow the team by statistics and graphs - these fans aren’t interested in those edge of seat moments when a player gets the ball and start to run Well some in here doesnt seem interested in goals either. Its X-something that matters. Edited July 19, 2023 by nufc123 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Once we know the actual fee I’d be interested to see a poll on who thinks selling him is a good idea or not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 24 minutes ago, Thomson Mouse said: Why? I've seen ASM unlock defences and produce moments of brilliance far above even the potential ceiling of Barnes. I also think he's really improved while he's been here too, is a better decision-maker and has not been in a strop when he's rotated for different situations. He's well liked internally, and he's feared by our opponents. Replacing his skillset is way more expensive than what I think Barnes would/should cost. IMO. I definitely think the "he doesn't look up" is a trope that has just been carried forward without reference to how he has improved over the past few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nobody said: Im just happy that football fans these days have to be expert accountats now thanks to FFP. Again, the club will have a shit tonne of stats about this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bally21 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Maxi is great to watch, and gets me on the edge of my seat, but also he is as frustrating as hell in terms of decision making/end product. Ultimately Howe obviously sees him a dispensable. So I for one will back his judgement, I don't have any choice in the matter anyway, just need to make sure we get as much for him as possible. As for Barnes if we sign him, lets get behind the lad and hopefully he will be a roaring success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I am disappointed, I love ASM's skill on the ball and unpredictability and think when he was fit he was generally much better than some thought, he also looked like he was trying to play howe ball when he returned from injury last season. I am always going to adore his style over that of Barnes, but Isak does bring similar skillful thrill to his play so it's not like it's totally gone from the team, as does Bruno in a different way. Viewing it as a straight swap is always going to feel odd as statistically of course Barnes is an upgrade, and yet the fun and joy of football is rarely if ever captured in the statistics. I am sad to see him go, but I am excited about Barnes too, not to the same degree I am about say Isak managing a full season, he is a known quantity, but his price reflects that, he is just another new attacker who will bring goals if not quite as much flair. I want the team to have bits of flair and joy, and I hope more players join who bring it, but I don't get why Barnes is measured by ASM who was always more promise than he actually delivered. It's sad, we will move on though. Anyone furious needs to calm down like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Beren said: I've seen ASM unlock defences and produce moments of brilliance far above even the potential ceiling of Barnes. I also think he's really improved while he's been here too, is a better decision-maker and has not been in a strop when he's rotated for different situations. He's well liked internally, and he's feared by our opponents. Replacing his skillset is way more expensive than what I think Barnes would/should cost. IMO. I definitely think the "he doesn't look up" is a trope that has just been carried forward without reference to how he has improved over the past few years. I’d agree with what you say about him apart from the Barnes stuff. Watching him I don’t think he’s ever really fitted into what Howe wants although he’s tried. They obviously like and expect each other but I can’t see him fitting into what Howe wants, nothing to do with head up etc just he’s not a Howe type player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 As I've said before I'm an ASM fan and we'd have most likely dropped into the second tier without him when Bruce had the reigns. He's rightfully a cult hero here. At the same time, we're talking about a player who has missed large spells of recent seasons through injury and who's end product has never quite matched his natural talent. Barnes is almost the opposite, a no thrills player who uses his more limited skill set to consistently register double figures season after season. I wish it didn't have to be one or the other, but in a team who suffered a mid-season finishing crisis the latter makes a lot of sense. ASM maybe the more exciting of the two but Barnes is the more effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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