Positive Optimism - Saudi Takeover Edition

[Jackie Broon]

9 minutes ago, Stifler said:

And if I’m you look at my post you’ll see what they have done on the back of that money. They haven’t disappeared, just everyone has stopped paying them attention for the things they do.

 

Woth Masters, what are they supposed to do? Honestly what do you want them to do? Kick his fucking face in?

 

Verbally, yes. Their response to him was weak and deferential, they just accepted his responses and said 'over to the consortium'. That took the pressure off the PL when there was significant pressure building against them.

 

 

Edited July 17, 2021 by Jackie Broon

[GWN]

 

 

I love this , about where I am and many of us are . 

[Stifler]

3 minutes ago, Joey Linton said:

My point (as you well know) was that they recruited off the back of the Masters meeting, not that i want them to do something to him. Whole thing was "we've opened a dialogue, join the trust". 

 

As always, by suggesting threats of violence, you're misrepresenting what the fans actually want. 

I’m not saying we should kick his face in, I’m asking what people want NUST to do.

Look at his last response, he has a paragraph of how NUST are quick to call out our clubs owners on the things to do, then goes on about how other clubs fans were quick to call out their owners over the ESL situation.

 

So you want them to call out our clubs owners when they do something bad, but also not use when they do something bad to get people behind them?

[Stifler]

7 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Verbally, yes. Their response to him was weak and deferential, they just accepted his responses and said 'over to the consortium'. That took the pressure off the PL when there was significant pressure building against them.

 

 

 

Do you not think they fact that they couldn’t take it further when he responded is down to the fact that as it stands the football authorities have no accountability to football fans, which is the very thing the NUST and other football supporters trusts are trying to change.

The very fact that the NUST are not able to tell Masters that actually he is duty bound to act upon their advice and to actually come out and also give fans clarity is the very fucking reason why we should be helping the NUST in their aims to get football fans around the table of our clubs and football authorities.

 

 

Edited July 17, 2021 by Stifler

[Whitley mag]

Oh to hear this ringing around a full St Jame’s at home to West Ham.

 

 

[Joey Linton]

4 minutes ago, Stifler said:

I’m not saying we should kick his face in, I’m asking what people want NUST to do.

Look at his last response, he has a paragraph of how NUST are quick to call out our clubs owners on the things to do, then goes on about how other clubs fans were quick to call out their owners over the ESL situation.

 

So you want them to call out our clubs owners when they do something bad, but also not use when they do something bad to get people behind them?

You've been presented with multiple examples of them using something bad to drive membership increases but then not back it up by finding out what the members want.

 

I've said all along their decisions should be what their members want them to be. That's what i want them to do. Listen. Or even ask. 

 

97% of members want the takeover apparently. And yet their paraphrased reaction far too late in the day to yesterday was "well so long as you only sit on every other seat on the bus down and wear masks, we're happy to wish you luck with it" 

[Stifler]

Our fight with Ashley will soon be over, be that via this consortium, or someone else a little wile down the lane, I think it will be over soon enough.

 

If we get Staveley and PIF they may give fans a seat at the table, they may run the club in a manner which means our fans don’t need to have much of an input because everything is going well.

However NUST have been banging on for years that football supporters need to have that right and club owners and football authorities should be held accountable by football fans.

Our fight for a better NUFC maybe soon over, but for football in general it won’t be.

 

We have seen in recent years how the FA want to cash in on Wembley and wanted to do that under the guise of giving grassroots football money it was already promised.

We have seen the top 6 try to steal football from everyone else twice in the space of about 4 months, and sooner or later it will happen again.

We have seen a convicted rapist actually rape the fuck out of Blackpool.

We have seen the EFL not only allow, but to facilitate Bury going bust whilst helping out their bigger neighbours Bolton from going the same way at the exact same time.

We have seen the ESL let Wigan be taken over by someone they knew was going to place them into administration to fulfill a bet, and the produced a punishment so the guy could cash it in.

We have seen them allow the likes of Portsmouth, Charlton, and even Sunderland to be taken over by complete and utter chancers.

We have seen grassroots football neglected and commercialised, not for the benefit of kids, and players, but for sponsors who want everyone to pay £5 a hour to play the game.

 

If we are serious about helping our friends of other clubs and helping the game itself, then we have to look at what the NUST wants, and that is fans in charge of football, because if we don’t we’ll just end up being like the NFL where it’s just a commercial enterprise where it costs you £100+ a ticket, with no competition.

[Stifler]

10 minutes ago, Joey Linton said:

You've been presented with multiple examples of them using something bad to drive membership increases but then not back it up by finding out what the members want.

 

I've said all along their decisions should be what their members want them to be. That's what i want them to do. Listen. Or even ask. 

 

97% of members want the takeover apparently. And yet their paraphrased reaction far too late in the day to yesterday was "well so long as you only sit on every other seat on the bus down and wear masks, we're happy to wish you luck with it" 

Actually the NUST went to the football authorities, MP’s and government and actually told them that their members were behind the bid.

I once again ask you what more they can do than that, and tell you why they can’t do more than that.

[Optimistic Nut]

5 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Our fight with Ashley will soon be over, be that via this consortium, or someone else a little wile down the lane, I think it will be over soon enough.

 

If we get Staveley and PIF they may give fans a seat at the table, they may run the club in a manner which means our fans don’t need to have much of an input because everything is going well.

However NUST have been banging on for years that football supporters need to have that right and club owners and football authorities should be held accountable by football fans.

Our fight for a better NUFC maybe soon over, but for football in general it won’t be.

 

 

 

The timing was poor imo. Everything should have been focused on getting some transparency from the Premier League imo. Once we had closure, either in a definite no regarding the PIF takeover, or after the takeover had went through...that would have been the time to look at a stake in the club. Again, just my view but to move the main attention to try and get a part of the club when we're in the middle of potentially the biggest few months of it's future, was wrong.

 

 

Edited July 17, 2021 by Optimistic Nut

[ToonArmy1892]

I think they would have much more support if they hadn't said they weren't a protest group.

 

Onto a loser straight away with many fans after that.

[Jackie Broon]

31 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Do you not think they fact that they couldn’t take it further when he responded is down to the fact that as it stands the football authorities have no accountability to football fans, which is the very thing the NUST and other football supporters trusts are trying to change.

The very fact that the NUST are not able to tell Masters that actually he is duty bound to act upon their advice and to actually come out and also give fans clarity is the very fucking reason why we should be helping the NUST in their aims to get football fans around the table of our clubs and football authorities.

 

 

 

 

 

If there is no other accountability, all the more reason to ask difficult questions and publicly hold them to account. NUST had the opportunity to do that and instead accepted Master's responses and said the ball is in the consortium's court. That took all momentum out of the pressure on the PL at that time.

[Stifler]

Fair enough, but can you atleaat acknowledge that they are looking at a wider picture?

 

Whatever any of you think, if we get our takeover it will not be because of NUST or because of the protests. I say this despite the fact that I have been involved in protest and also paid my NUST subs. The reality is someone who see’s a commercial opportunity in football see’s our club as being in a position to maximise potential and she herself has commercial contacts, not because of protests.

[Jackie Broon]

13 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Fair enough, but can you atleaat acknowledge that they are looking at a wider picture?

 

Whatever any of you think, if we get our takeover it will not be because of NUST or because of the protests. I say this despite the fact that I have been involved in protest and also paid my NUST subs. The reality is someone who see’s a commercial opportunity in football see’s our club as being in a position to maximise potential and she herself has commercial contacts, not because of protests.

 

I'm discussing their actions in relation to the PL blocking us from being taken over. That is separate, irrelevant and, whilst laudable, is a pipe dream that if successful will result in nothing more than tokenism IMHO. 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2021 by Jackie Broon

[Whitley mag]

Looks like a close call if this will go through before window shuts. Either way as long as it happens I’m sure we can muddle our way to January window.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/newcastle-united-takeover-premier-league-b1885643.html
 

Figures close to the Newcastle Unitedtakeover saga are still convinced that the Amanda Staveley-fronted and Saudi Arabian-backed bid will succeed but have largely given up hope of taking the reins at St James’ Park before the beginning of the season. Attention has switched to the closing of the transfer window on 31 August.

 

The Premier League’s arbitration panel is scheduled to take place this month but the ruling body’s proceedings are conducted in private. The news that the hearing was due in July only slipped out when the president of the Competitions Appeal Tribunal, which is conducting a separate action involving the proposed buyout, revealed the information last month.

 

After assessing the evidence the members of the arbitration panel can hand down their verdict quickly. In expedited arbitration – as in this case – the award can be written and issued in just two weeks. There are concerns within the Staveley camp that the judgement will take longer and even if the takeover is approved the new owners will have little or no time to add to the squad to influence the new season.

 

Staveley took to the airwaves on Friday and insisted on national radio that the appetite for the buyout is as strong as ever. Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund (PIF) put up 80 per cent of the original £300 million bid with Staveley’s own company and the Reuben brothers each providing 10 per cent of the cash. The businesswoman said: “We are all still there, and are all still passionate about Newcastle. All consortium members are.”

 

A number of the club’s fans travelled to London to protest in Parliament Square and outside the Premier League’s headquarters demanding that the process be conducted in the open. Some held up signs that said: “Public arbitration for our club.”

Representatives of the potential buyers and those on the selling side maintain that they were initially told that there were “no red flags” about the proposed deal. That changed in June last year, when the Premier League asked for further information about Saudi involvement. At that point the consortium withdrew from the transaction but remained in the background waiting for Ashely to take legal action.

 

Frustration is growing at the length of time it is taking to complete the arbitration. Richard Masters, the league’s chief executive, said in January that the dispute would be solved in “a timely manner.” Staveley was bullish then that the new owners would be in place before the coming season.

 

That confidence has all but evaporated. “The uncertainty is affecting how the club is operating,” a source close to the situation said. “The delay is damaging to everyone around Newcastle. Ashley does not want to spend money on players if he is not going to be the owner. He will argue that this is damaging his business.”

The main sticking point about Saudi involvement in English football was the hacking of BeIn Sport, the Premier League’s broadcast partner in the Gulf, by Saudi pirate TV stations. Qatar-based BeIn believed that the hijacking of their channels could not have been achieved without state support. Saudi Arabia and its allies imposed a three-year blockade on Qatar that ended in December. The détente in the region is delicate but the disruption of BeIn’s signals has ended.

Those in favour of the takeover believe there are other elements at play, too. They contend that some top-flight clubs are keen to block PIF’s entry into the English game for fear that Newcastle would spend their way to success in the style of Chelsea and Manchester City. Staveley denies that, saying that PIF – which is reportedly in the process of taking a £550 million stake in Formula One’s McLaren – intend for St James’ Park to be run as a profitable business and within the club’s means.

“The deal was supposed to be completed more than a year ago when contracts were exchanged,” the source said. “Everything that has happened since has been anti-competitive.”

 

 

Edited July 17, 2021 by Whitley mag

[ToonArmy1892]

They will surely be in place by the end of the window if arb goes our way.

[SUPERTOON]

With a competent manager we will have no trouble being mid table or better come January, with Steve Bruce we will be bottom 5.

[Slim]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

With a competent manager we will have no trouble being mid table or better come January, with Steve Bruce we will be bottom 5.

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, Slim said:

Not going to post the results for the months prior to that ?

[Yorkie]

I fail to see anything other than more-or-less a carbon copy of the last two seasons. This one gone featured a worse run than any in the season before, but they were pretty much identical otherwise. Loads of terrible football and terrible performances, but never any material risk of relegation for any sustained period. We've still got loads of good players and the same shite manager, don't see why anything would dramatically change. 

[Lazarus]

17 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

“The deal was supposed to be completed more than a year ago when contracts were exchanged,” the source said. “Everything that has happened since has been anti-competitive.”

 

 

 

 

Thats news to me

[SUPERTOON]

2 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

I fail to see anything other than more-or-less a carbon copy of the last two seasons. This one gone featured a worse run than any in the season before, but they were pretty much identical otherwise. Loads of terrible football and terrible performances, but never any material risk of relegation for any sustained period. We've still got loads of good players and the same shite manager, don't see why anything would dramatically change. 

Only real difference this season assuming full stadiums is the fans will be there to give him the stick he deserves.

[veriaqa]

Really? That news to you? Either you don't follow the takeover news or you just ignore some facts that came from some specifics people.

 

 

Edited July 17, 2021 by veriaqa

[Scoot]

3 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

 

Thats news to me

Where have you been hiding like?

[Lazarus]

I dont think Ive read anywhere that contracts were signed

[Scotty66]

Had to laugh at Simon Jordans comment about PIF not wanting to be involved anymore. If that was the case, why on earth would we be going through arbitration to prove seperation?