Shearergol Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 minute ago, kisearch said: No you don't remember or no he's not quality? Just donāt like him at all, particularly for England. Liverpool look much better with him in the team granted but Iām pretty sure they could replace him with better. Heās nowhere near as good as Kante for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Fucking hell Messi could have been seriously hurt thereĀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Just seen Tielemans' goal, lovely stuff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Shearergol said: Just donāt like him at all, particularly for England. Liverpool look much better with him in the team granted but Iām pretty sure they could replace him with better. Heās nowhere near as good as Kante for example. Different roles, but even then there's not a DM out there I'd put anywhere near Kante tbf. Henderson must be an excellent leader as well, which you don't really get to see purely by watching. His stock has probably risen more than any other player I can think of. Vardy maybe, but in a different way. Ā From this bang average Sunderland player everyone laughed at for being signed for Ā£20m, to captaining Liverpool for 6 years to the league and Champions League and being a key player in all of it. Thought he was underrated from about 2013, but I never saw him getting to the level he's got to. Edited October 24, 2021 by kisearch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, Shearergol said: Just donāt like him at all, particularly for England. Liverpool look much better with him in the team granted but Iām pretty sure they could replace him with better. Heās nowhere near as good as Kante for example. Very few players in the world are as Kante like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Nobody said: Very few players in the world are as Kante like I mean thatās a fair pointĀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk_lfc Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 20 minutes ago, kisearch said: Different roles, but even then there's not a DM out there I'd put anywhere near Kante tbf. Henderson must be an excellent leader as well, which you don't really get to see purely by watching. His stock has probably risen more than any other player I can think of. Vardy maybe, but in a different way. Ā From this bang average Sunderland player everyone laughed at for being signed for Ā£20m, to captaining Liverpool for 6 years to the league and Champions League and being a key player in all of it. Thought he was underrated from about 2013, but I never saw him getting to the level he's got to. Ā Ā Ā Ā Henderson is a technically above average player, has incredible stamina and most importantly can follow instructions to the letter. He is one of the best at leading the press from the midfield and can quickly control and release the ball. This makes him gold dust for someone like Klopp or Rodgers.Ā Ā He is nowhere even close to Kante but he is an important player for us. There is an element of right time, right coach aspect to his growth. But at the same time I don't want to diminish Henderson's contribution to his growth also. It is not pure luck. He is the type who puts in everything to maximize the talent he has.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā He has a clearly defined role for us and gives us 7-8/10 performances day in day out. In a non-counterpressing, more slow build up team like England, he is not a good fit.Ā Ā He is very impressive in the right system. At the same time, he is not that uber talented thatĀ his quality shines through in any system.Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 19 minutes ago, rgk_lfc said: Ā Henderson is a technically above average player, has incredible stamina and most importantly can follow instructions to the letter. He is one of the best at leading the press from the midfield and can quickly control and release the ball. This makes him gold dust for someone like Klopp or Rodgers.Ā Ā He is nowhere even close to Kante but he is an important player for us. There is an element of right time, right coach aspect to his growth. But at the same time I don't want to diminish Henderson's contribution to his growth also. It is not pure luck. He is the type who puts in everything to maximize the talent he has.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā He has a clearly defined role for us and gives us 7-8/10 performances day in day out. In a non-counterpressing, more slow build up team like England, he is not a good fit.Ā Ā He is very impressive in the right system. At the same time, he is not that uber talented thatĀ his quality shines through in any system.Ā Some nice to read insight there, cheers. ? My mate who's a Liverpool fan thinks Henderson missing the last few matches of 13/14 was the main reason you didn't win the league, or at least more than the slip, would you say that's right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 MOTD2 just pulled apart Ole and the Man Utd coaching deficiencies, putting their current form and today's result firmly on theĀ coaching. Ā Pity they never did that to Steve and the Steve's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk_lfc Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 49 minutes ago, kisearch said: Some nice to read insight there, cheers. ? My mate who's a Liverpool fan thinks Henderson missing the last few matches of 13/14 was the main reason you didn't win the league, or at least more than the slip, would you say that's right? Ā Definitely his red card against City hurt usĀ in the final two games. Not sure if I would label it as the main reason though. Truth is we had started to run out of gas.Ā Ā Suarez had 3 goals and 1Ā assist in the final 8 games of that title challenge. He had 28 goals and 16 assists in the previous 25 games. He was "pressed" out and we could see that in every player. And we could not rest Suarez, or Sturridge, or Gerrard or Coutinho due to lack of options. Ā Henderson was a key player in the pressing football we played that season. His nonavailability against Chelsea was a factor, no doubt about it. But at the same time I am a bit hesitant to call it the reason we couldn't win the league. We put in a herculean effort but just couldn't cross the line. That's how I like to think about it.Ā Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Ole won't quit and he won't get sacked (not yet at least). Ā He'll get a decent result soon enough which will buy him some time Ā It's the can being kicked down the road. They should get rid and bring Conte in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 59 minutes ago, kisearch said: Some nice to read insight there, cheers. ? My mate who's a Liverpool fan thinks Henderson missing the last few matches of 13/14 was the main reason you didn't win the league, or at least more than the slip, would you say that's right? Had no idea he's now played close to 300 games for Liverpool and has been there 10 years. Makes me feel old! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Have to say I think this is the strongest Premier League I can remember. Liverpool, Man City, and Chelsea are absolutely incredible and below them the difference in quality between the teams really isn't as huge as it usually is. I think Norwich and Newcastle are the only really poor teams in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 47 minutes ago, TK-421 said: MOTD2 just pulled apart Ole and the Man Utd coaching deficiencies, putting their current form and today's result firmly on theĀ coaching. Ā Pity they never did that to Steve and the Steve's. Ā Never get long enough on to do it.Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 19 minutes ago, kisearch said: Have to say I think this is the strongest Premier League I can remember. Liverpool, Man City, and Chelsea are absolutely incredible and below them the difference in quality between the teams really isn't as huge as it usually is. I think Norwich and Newcastle are the only really poor teams in the league. Ā Liverpool, City and Chelsea are all absolute filth. Its ridiculous.Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 We used to have a couple of blokes at work who didn'tĀ bother with our work 5-a-side games because it made it a waste of time, whoever had either of them on their team would win easily because they'd just run rings round everyone.Ā Ā That's what Mo Salah has been like over the last couple of months, but against some of the world's best players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Replies just full of Man United fans who don't understand the joke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest HTT II Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Just now, ManDoon said: Aye I played with a kid who was named a couple of times on Blueās bench. Basically impossible to play against him, thatās Salah at elite level. Heās got to be a ballon dāor winner. Has to be.Ā Heās the best in the world for me right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Ā I think zidane is your only hope in thisĀ scenario. Ā Of all the managers touted the one I'd take would be Rodgers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 minute ago, ManDoon said: Really?! I donāt think he has the clout to walk in and command that dressing room. Thatās why I wouldĀ go for zidane, also Ronaldo factorĀ Ā Something about Zidane makes me uneasy. No idea why. On the face of it it makes the most sense mind. Ronaldo/Varane and his immense trophy record in a short period of time.Ā Ā Probably just obsessed with the idea of longevity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I think Conte is the obvious choice although not a long term solution if that's what you're looking for.Ā Ā Zidane I'm unconvinced it works outside of Madrid.Ā Ā Rodgers, just feels like a gamble he doesn't need to take, he's on such a good thing with Leicester, but hey, money talks.Ā Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Although it feels like Conte doesn't take jobs where he isn't 70% likely to win the league.Ā Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 27 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Aye I played with a kid who was named a couple of times on Blueās bench. Basically impossible to play against him, thatās Salah at elite level. Heās got to be a ballon dāor winner. Has to be.Ā He's always been class but he's recently just took it up another level, don't think he took losing out on POTM to Ronaldo too well Ā In terms of Ballon D'Or I think the voting for this year has stopped so think he'll miss out this year but hopefully he can continue this form as he'll run away with it next year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Messi surely getting it this year you'd have thought.Ā Salah should walk it next year assuming he carries on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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