Happinesstan Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 On 03/09/2022 at 16:15, toontownman said: The role/position he is in just isnt working Seems like a lovely guy but I do wonder if the amount of instruction, responsibility and detail Howe likely gives him is too much for him. He thrived under Bruce likely because he could do whatever the fuck he wanted and was played mainly in advanced positions. He just doesn't seem to gel in that pocket next to almiron, tripps and schar. He is what we have though until Bruno is back at least. Maybe put him wide and almiron central. He is at his best a bit more advanced though. Really doesn't seem to suit playing from deep and can't break away too much when Schar is pinging balls over him. Wouldn't move Joey from where he is either but maybe that's an option. We know there is a player there but it's not one that fits in our team very well right now. Expand It's not working for him, and he's getting a lot of stick for obvious deficiencies. But he's obviously playing a vital role in how we are playing. He benefitted from Bruce's 'let's play' philosophy by constantly getting into the box. It seems obvious Howe has given him particular instructions that affect his ability to do that. My hope is that Howe has used these early games to present him a challenge. Whether he has risen to that challenge probably won't be answered for some time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Realistically, his skill set is best suited on making runs into the box and general runs in the final third. He has the attributes more fitting of a forward role. He doesn’t have the technical ability / physicality to play in the middle. I hope we can figure it out as he’s definitely got great aspects to his game but he’s stalled rather than pushed on and mentally he seems like he doesn’t have the fire on the pitch or belief at times Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 On 03/09/2022 at 17:35, gbandit said: Realistically, his skill set is best suited on making runs into the box and general runs in the final third. He has the attributes more fitting of a forward role. He doesn’t have the technical ability / physicality to play in the middle. I hope we can figure it out as he’s definitely got great aspects to his game but he’s stalled rather than pushed on and mentally he seems like he doesn’t have the fire on the pitch or belief at times Expand Noticed a certain nervousness in some of his interviews, he seems to settle, but I think he's a lot younger than his age. Hopefully he can benefit from Isak's presence. Really want him to succeed here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 He plays off the striker that’s his position. Howe doesn’t play that way so we are trying to accommodate him in a different position which doesn’t work. Unless we change our system I think he’ll go back down south next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 On 03/09/2022 at 17:47, Myleftboot said: He plays off the striker that’s his position. Howe doesn’t play that way so we are trying to accommodate him in a different position which doesn’t work. Unless we change our system I think he’ll go back down south next season. Expand I was quite encouraged by his getting into the box today, actually. When I first switched on he was in there, on the right hand side, exactly were I want to see him. I do agree though, he's not [yet] the player Howe wants in that position. Just weird to think he's started every game. I think a break from first team duties, to reflect on his recent experience, will do him good. Basically, drop him, but be nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Only just turned 23 too. We have been playing Big Joe Willock Longstaff Haven't we? When Willock Big Joe Longstaff Probably works better for him but maybe not the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 On 03/09/2022 at 18:10, toontownman said: Only just turned 23 too. We have been playing Big Joe Willock Longstaff Haven't we? When Willock Big Joe Longstaff Probably works better for him but maybe not the team. Expand Yeah. I think so. Also the lack of Bruno has so much impact on our overall position on the pitch which probably affects his decision making. Similar with missing ASM and Wilson. Like i said in the Jacob Murphy thread, he's young. He's enjoyed success in a particular role, but he's being asked to perform a different one, missing 2 out of the 3 attackers he would normally be playing with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 He was poor yesterday but he's been alright this season. He undoubtedly needs to add more output to his game (as does Joelinton), overall though, his contribution has been fine. Some of the reactions have been over the top, but ideally he'll be replaced in due course. You could even stick Bruno as an eight and have Longstaff shielding the defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 It's honestly tragic we don't have the depth to drop this bum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donut Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Shockingly poor today. Can't finish, can't cross and laughable decision making. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon_Geordie Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Not sure he's the smartest lad. Seems to lack a football brain at times. He's an athlete but not sure he's a great footballer. File under Miggy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Arsenal played him in a DM-type holding role didn't they? Maybe they were right after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 On 17/09/2022 at 16:31, Stottie said: Arsenal played him in a DM-type holding role didn't they? Maybe they were right after all. Expand He has good pressure on the ball but that's it in regards to being a 'DM'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Infuriated me today, so slow with his decision making. him and Almiron need upgrading on the first day of the window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Think he'd look so much better with a proper RW in front of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) Would anyone consider playing him on the right of the front three? His best form for us l, came when he played in a more advanced position under bacon lips. He can't be any worse than Almiron and at least he is right footed. Edited September 17, 2022 by Klaus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Thought he played well today. Was popping up all over the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Not for me - sell at earliest opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 A closer look at him and that little wonder run looks a distant memory. His play seems to lack a purpose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) I feel Willock is the sort of player that needs to be dropped once in a while to recharge his hunger and motivation. Try to manage that. Look how Son took it today. To be fair, Willock found his form again last season after a few games being left out. Whether now is the time to drop him? Probably not on today's showing but for the past few games, then maybe yes. He is a good player no doubt but can also slow things down when he is not on-song. Edited September 17, 2022 by nufcjb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 On 17/09/2022 at 16:16, Oregon_Geordie said: Not sure he's the smartest lad. Seems to lack a football brain at times. He's an athlete but not sure he's a great footballer. File under Miggy. Expand I thought he played quite clever stuff tbh, few dummies, some nice little through passes to the put Miggy into the channels, but his shooting was terrible. I think he pisses people off because he's doesn't challenge for 50/50 balls with full conviction. Ultimately the same problem as the other forwards, not doing enough to impact games despite running around non-stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 He isn’t good enough at the end of the day and will be a squad player at best next season. The worry is he just doesn’t look like scoring at all at the moment either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 We were absolutely fleeced by Arsenal, that’s for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 On 17/09/2022 at 21:43, Shearergol said: We were absolutely fleeced by Arsenal, that’s for sure. Expand He kept us up so think the price was fair enough. Still young Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 I'd give him a go at RW. Can't be any worse than Almiron/Fraser/Murphy at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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