bowlingcrofty Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Away games coming up include Stoke, Fulham, Man United and Arsenal. If someone offered me 1 point from 12 now it'd be more than i'm expecting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 still a 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Tied on points with fucking Wigan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 If Pardew stays for the whole season I think we'll definitely be in or around the bottom 3. The most worrying thing is, if we do go down I have absolutely no faith in Pardew taking us back up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 :scared:/10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 If Pardew stays for the whole season I think we'll definitely be in or around the bottom 3. The most worrying thing is, if we do go down I have absolutely no faith in Pardew taking us back up. If we drop, Ashley will have zero excuse for keeping him. Zero. You can't pilot a team from 5th to relegation in one season and reasonably expect to keep your job. Shame on me, assuming Ashley is a rational owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The only thing that gives me pause is the fact that there are squads that seemingly want the drop more than we do right now. Villa and Reading seem determined to stay in the relegation zone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBG Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 We won't go down. Bottom half yes, but we'll have just enough to stay up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 We won't go down. Bottom half yes, but we'll have just enough to stay up. I bet that's what was being said this time 4 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Can at the very best see us getting 4 points out of the next 7 league games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Can at the very best see us getting 4 points out of the next 7 league games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Can at the very best see us getting 4 points out of the next 7 league games. POINTS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 moved from a 3 to a 6, think the way we reacted in the second half was vital to our season and we failed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Can at the very best see us getting 4 points out of the next 7 league games. POINTS It's been soo loong! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Can at the very best see us getting 4 points out of the next 7 league games. And without breaking fixture list rules those games i think we could get points in are the JJB team at home and Harry's new team who you know will be a different animal to what they are now so by no means a gimme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 If we keep Pardew - 10 If we can get in a decent manager - 0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The dickhead in charge's attacking strategy is actually to hit balls at the opposition defence and a) hope there is a defensive spillage b) hope Ba/Cisse can finish from any spillage. THAT IS THE FULL EXTENT OF OUR ATTACKING PLAY. It's been the same with Cabaye, HBA and Colo in the team at different points this season. I'm at a non-sarcastic 9, because I don't think we'll get rid of Pardew until very late in the day. Spot on. Plan B meanwhile is to give the ball to Ben Arfa on the half way line with 10 opposition players between him and the goal and see what happens. I get the impression that we practice pretty much zero possession play, fluidity, one-touch or attacking moves in training. I'm talking about training that focuses on our team, not the opposition. Our token attacking day, let's call it dress down friday, probably consists of watching a video of the opposition's defensive weaknesses in the penalty box and then doing a couple of drills over and over to try and take advantage of that. 90% of these drills involve whacking set pieces to williamson. Ancelotti said the other day that a great manager is one who has their own, recognisable style of play. Sooner or later you have to work on making your team good and building an ethos, not just trying to counter-attack your opponents. Even tossers like Allardyce and Pulis do this, even if i disagree with their preferred methods. If Pardew has not learnt this yet, after being a manager for quite a while already, he never will. Still recall that anecdote about when Cantona would keep Man Utd's youngsters back after training to work on simple things like group keepy-ups and retaining possession. The young lads asked him why they'd been passing it around for 15 mins as they were still in the same position they were when they started doing the exercise. Cantona looked at them and said 'yes, but the opposition are now all over the place." Those youngsters were the likes of Neville, Beckham, Scholes etc. I also remember reading an interview with some ex-liverpool players, the likes of Hansen, who boasted that at their peak the team could've played in blind-folds - that's how strong their understanding was. At one point there was even a jokey rumour floating around that Keegan and Toshack had mastered telepathy. But if you spent 99% of your time adjusting the side to counter the opposition you will never reach those heights. Mind you we look like we're playing in blind folds as well. only not in a good way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The dickhead in charge's attacking strategy is actually to hit balls at the opposition defence and a) hope there is a defensive spillage b) hope Ba/Cisse can finish from any spillage. THAT IS THE FULL EXTENT OF OUR ATTACKING PLAY. It's been the same with Cabaye, HBA and Colo in the team at different points this season. I'm at a non-sarcastic 9, because I don't think we'll get rid of Pardew until very late in the day. Spot on. Plan B meanwhile is to give the ball to Ben Arfa on the half way line with 10 opposition players between him and the goal and see what happens. I get the impression that we practice pretty much zero possession play, fluidity, one-touch or attacking moves in training. I'm talking about training that focuses on our team, not the opposition. Our token attacking day, let's call it dress down friday, probably consists of watching a video of the opposition's defensive weaknesses in the penalty box and then doing a couple of drills over and over to try and take advantage of that. 90% of these drills involve whacking set pieces to williamson. Ancelotti said the other day that a great manager is one who has their own, recognisable style of play. Sooner or later you have to work on making your team good and building an ethos, not just trying to counter-attack your opponents. Even tossers like Allardyce and Pulis do this, even if i disagree with their preferred methods. If Pardew has not learnt this yet, after being a manager for quite a while already, he never will. Still recall that anecdote about when Cantona would keep Man Utd's youngsters back after training to work on simple things like group keepy-ups and retaining possession. The young lads asked him why they'd been passing it around for 15 mins as they were still in the same position they were when they started doing the exercise. Cantona looked at them and said 'yes, but the opposition are now all over the place." Those youngsters were the likes of Neville, Beckham, Scholes etc. I also remember reading an interview with some ex-liverpool players, the likes of Hansen, who boasted that at their peak the team could've played in blind-folds - that's how strong their understanding was. At one point there was even a jokey rumour floating around that Keegan and Toshack had mastered telepathy. But if you spent 99% of your time adjusting the side to counter the opposition you will never reach those heights. Mind you we look like we're playing in blind folds as well. only not in a good way. Aye, great post. I think you've probably hit our weekly training regime absolutely on the nail. It's absolutely ridiculous, with the talent we have in our squad, that we're not focusing on attacking. As i keep saying, any defensive work during the week is completely negated by the fact we don't know how to attack. Training is clearly all, all wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubblyDubblyDubbly Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 We have sh*t-hot attackers We have sh*t defenders You can't polish a turd. Bring back Keegan's philosophy.. attack attack attack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 We have sh*t-hot attackers We have sh*t defenders You can't polish a turd. Bring back Keegan's philosophy.. attack attack attack Well actually I disagree about the defence, I think we have solid attackers, solid centre, solid at the back and solid in goal. The squad cries out to play narrow in the middle as that's the kind of personnel we have, and is conducive to the 3 up top which also suits our attack. Been laying low a while, but it strikes me last season when you think back to our games. Demba on his own is the reason we were where we were at at Christmas. Cisse on his own is the reason we were where we were at by the end, with flashes from Ben Arfa and the footballing intelligence of Cabaye/Colicinni to keep us solid enough down the middle. I didn't get the impression we had any possession-based tactics or strategy at all. We finished where we did despite Pardew - he won't get us relegated, but unless our average first team quality is as smart as Barca's, we can't keep relying on individual sparks from flair players as our sole strategy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The fact that you have Ben Arfa, Cabaye and Coloccini to come back suggests to me your first eleven is nowhere near bad enough for you to go down. I like this new Mackem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 We'll be in the bottom 3 by Christmas. No doubt about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The dickhead in charge's attacking strategy is actually to hit balls at the opposition defence and a) hope there is a defensive spillage b) hope Ba/Cisse can finish from any spillage. THAT IS THE FULL EXTENT OF OUR ATTACKING PLAY. It's been the same with Cabaye, HBA and Colo in the team at different points this season. I'm at a non-sarcastic 9, because I don't think we'll get rid of Pardew until very late in the day. Spot on. Plan B meanwhile is to give the ball to Ben Arfa on the half way line with 10 opposition players between him and the goal and see what happens. I get the impression that we practice pretty much zero possession play, fluidity, one-touch or attacking moves in training. I'm talking about training that focuses on our team, not the opposition. Our token attacking day, let's call it dress down friday, probably consists of watching a video of the opposition's defensive weaknesses in the penalty box and then doing a couple of drills over and over to try and take advantage of that. 90% of these drills involve whacking set pieces to williamson. Ancelotti said the other day that a great manager is one who has their own, recognisable style of play. Sooner or later you have to work on making your team good and building an ethos, not just trying to counter-attack your opponents. Even tossers like Allardyce and Pulis do this, even if i disagree with their preferred methods. If Pardew has not learnt this yet, after being a manager for quite a while already, he never will. Still recall that anecdote about when Cantona would keep Man Utd's youngsters back after training to work on simple things like group keepy-ups and retaining possession. The young lads asked him why they'd been passing it around for 15 mins as they were still in the same position they were when they started doing the exercise. Cantona looked at them and said 'yes, but the opposition are now all over the place." Those youngsters were the likes of Neville, Beckham, Scholes etc. I also remember reading an interview with some ex-liverpool players, the likes of Hansen, who boasted that at their peak the team could've played in blind-folds - that's how strong their understanding was. At one point there was even a jokey rumour floating around that Keegan and Toshack had mastered telepathy. But if you spent 99% of your time adjusting the side to counter the opposition you will never reach those heights. Mind you we look like we're playing in blind folds as well. only not in a good way. Absolutely right and you and I have been banging this drum for a long time now. It should never have got to this stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The dickhead in charge's attacking strategy is actually to hit balls at the opposition defence and a) hope there is a defensive spillage b) hope Ba/Cisse can finish from any spillage. THAT IS THE FULL EXTENT OF OUR ATTACKING PLAY. It's been the same with Cabaye, HBA and Colo in the team at different points this season. I'm at a non-sarcastic 9, because I don't think we'll get rid of Pardew until very late in the day. Spot on. Plan B meanwhile is to give the ball to Ben Arfa on the half way line with 10 opposition players between him and the goal and see what happens. I get the impression that we practice pretty much zero possession play, fluidity, one-touch or attacking moves in training. I'm talking about training that focuses on our team, not the opposition. Our token attacking day, let's call it dress down friday, probably consists of watching a video of the opposition's defensive weaknesses in the penalty box and then doing a couple of drills over and over to try and take advantage of that. 90% of these drills involve whacking set pieces to williamson. Ancelotti said the other day that a great manager is one who has their own, recognisable style of play. Sooner or later you have to work on making your team good and building an ethos, not just trying to counter-attack your opponents. Even tossers like Allardyce and Pulis do this, even if i disagree with their preferred methods. If Pardew has not learnt this yet, after being a manager for quite a while already, he never will. Still recall that anecdote about when Cantona would keep Man Utd's youngsters back after training to work on simple things like group keepy-ups and retaining possession. The young lads asked him why they'd been passing it around for 15 mins as they were still in the same position they were when they started doing the exercise. Cantona looked at them and said 'yes, but the opposition are now all over the place." Those youngsters were the likes of Neville, Beckham, Scholes etc. I also remember reading an interview with some ex-liverpool players, the likes of Hansen, who boasted that at their peak the team could've played in blind-folds - that's how strong their understanding was. At one point there was even a jokey rumour floating around that Keegan and Toshack had mastered telepathy. But if you spent 99% of your time adjusting the side to counter the opposition you will never reach those heights. Mind you we look like we're playing in blind folds as well. only not in a good way. Nice anecdotes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 We've the feeling of Bolton last season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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