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Can't see us staying up. McClaren hasn't got it in his locker to stay up, he's pretty poor tactically and I don't think he has the personality. On top of hat our defence is absolutely shocking and our midfield doesn't create enough chances at all. Sunderland will do their usual and scrape it, no doubt beating us at SJP along the way. Villa look pretty fucked. Bournemouth and Norwich are candidates, Swansea will scrape it when they get rid of Gary Monk.

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not sure a lot has changed personally thought months ago if we managed to get around the 15-17 point mark then spend well in  january we'd stay up

 

i still think that, even if mcclaren stays - even one real midfielder and an upgrade at CB would do wonders for this team

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On the balance of what I have seen so far I would say we are almost certainly going to be in the mix if not down. One step forwards and 10 back at the moment.  The reasons for that are many but for me, the sheer lack of quality and depth in the squad is the biggest issue.  Hard to motivate players when you have no one to replace them with when dropped.

 

The league is insane (ly shit) this year, so many strange results already.  For that reason, I really don't know what will happen to us.  We definitely need 2-3 players in Jan - get them we should be ok, fuck that up and I think we are almost certainly down.

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We'd benefit so much from a couple of experienced heads signed on short-term deals in January like, would probably keep us up.

 

Carrick + a centre half whose not getting in their PL side at the minute, have lost interest to the extent that I can't even tell you who that could be.

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We'd benefit so much from a couple of experienced heads signed on short-term deals in January like, would probably keep us up.

 

Carrick + a centre half whose not getting in their PL side at the minute, have lost interest to the extent that I can't even tell you who that could be.

Don't tell Sewelly. :lol:

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:lol: How come, does he hate Carrick?

 

I've never been that massive on him either tbh but it's a no-brainer on an 18-month deal given our other options, him being local, and his considerable experience.  If we're determined to play 2 central midfielders as we have been then I think we'd see much better results with Anita-Carrick than Anita-Colback.

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:lol: How come, does he hate Carrick?

 

I've never been that massive on him either tbh but it's a no-brainer on an 18-month deal given our other options, him being local, and his considerable experience.  If we're determined to play 2 central midfielders as we have been then I think we'd see much better results with Anita-Carrick than Anita-Colback.

Would be an improvement alright but don't think he'd have the legs at this stage to be good for a team that won't be dominating possession

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:lol: How come, does he hate Carrick?

 

I've never been that massive on him either tbh but it's a no-brainer on an 18-month deal given our other options, him being local, and his considerable experience.  If we're determined to play 2 central midfielders as we have been then I think we'd see much better results with Anita-Carrick than Anita-Colback.

Absolutely loathes him if I remember correctly. I'd happily have him over Anita/Colback though. Massive upgrade, especially for half a season.

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As I say I've never been a huge fan either, I do think he'd slot in well currently though and would bring some much needed assuredness to the side.

 

It's a pointless discussion anyway, we don't sign players like that anymore but I'm saying we should in some circumstances.

 

As an aside, it always pissed me off that we let Spurs get Carrick off West Ham so we could sign Butt, apparently at the wish of Shepherd rather than Robson.

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As I say I've never been a huge fan either, I do think he'd slot in well currently though and would bring some much needed assuredness to the side.

 

It's a pointless discussion anyway, we don't sign players like that anymore but I'm saying we should in some circumstances.

 

As an aside, it always p*ssed me off that we let Spurs get Carrick off West Ham so we could sign Butt, apparently at the wish of Shepherd rather than Robson.

Ahh, how we'd all long for the early Butt days again. (I think).

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Was such a daft decision, both players had similar fees and we went for the one that was over-the-hill.  Despite the other being from Wallsend and probably gagging to sign.

 

Spurs ended up quadrupling their money (or more) after he did a great job for them, while we plodded along with Nicky Butt.  The highlight of his NUFC career was the moment he lost his mind and did an overhead kick in the Championship for no reason, other than that he generally hoofed it out of play every time the ball got near him.

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Was such a daft decision, both players had similar fees and we went for the one that was over-the-hill.  Despite the other being from Wallsend and probably gagging to sign.

 

Spurs ended up quadrupling their money (or more) after he did a great job for them, while we plodded along with Nicky Butt.  The highlight of his NUFC career was the moment he lost his mind and did an overhead kick in the Championship for no reason, other than that he generally hoofed it out of play every time the ball got near him.

It was the way he used to look up, ala Beckham, pick his pass, then boot it out for a goal-kick that used to get me most.

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Bournemouth showing all the signs of a club mounting a genuine escape bid...their heads are up despite losing to us(undeservedly)at home and they have since beaten 2 good sides - at least, better than us.

Norwich managed a point against Everton yesterday so all the pressure is FIRMLY on NUFC - we are in my opinion, now the favourites to take one of the 3 relegation places, especially if there is a heavy defeat against Spurs today because morale will once again be rock-bottom.

If we lose at Spurs and fail to beat Villa, my bottom 3 will be NUFC, Villa and possibly Norwich.

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Bournemouth showing all the signs of a club mounting a genuine escape bid...their heads are up despite losing to us(undeservedly)at home and they have since beaten 2 good sides - at least, better than us.

Norwich managed a point against Everton yesterday so all the pressure is FIRMLY on NUFC - we are in my opinion, now the favourites to take one of the 3 relegation places, especially if there is a heavy defeat against Spurs today because morale will once again be rock-bottom.

If we lose at Spurs and fail to beat Villa, my bottom 3 will be NUFC, Villa and possibly Norwich.

 

We are now the favourites for a bottom 3 finish? You do know that Villa are 6 points off 19th already and 7 off ourselves?

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Bournemouth showing all the signs of a club mounting a genuine escape bid...their heads are up despite losing to us(undeservedly)at home and they have since beaten 2 good sides - at least, better than us.

Norwich managed a point against Everton yesterday so all the pressure is FIRMLY on NUFC - we are in my opinion, now the favourites to take one of the 3 relegation places, especially if there is a heavy defeat against Spurs today because morale will once again be rock-bottom.

If we lose at Spurs and fail to beat Villa, my bottom 3 will be NUFC, Villa and possibly Norwich.

 

We are now the favourites for a bottom 3 finish? You do know that Villa are 6 points off 19th already and 7 off ourselves?

Yeah, and that leaves two spots no?

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Bournemouth showing all the signs of a club mounting a genuine escape bid...their heads are up despite losing to us(undeservedly)at home and they have since beaten 2 good sides - at least, better than us.

Norwich managed a point against Everton yesterday so all the pressure is FIRMLY on NUFC - we are in my opinion, now the favourites to take one of the 3 relegation places, especially if there is a heavy defeat against Spurs today because morale will once again be rock-bottom.

If we lose at Spurs and fail to beat Villa, my bottom 3 will be NUFC, Villa and possibly Norwich.

 

We are now the favourites for a bottom 3 finish? You do know that Villa are 6 points off 19th already and 7 off ourselves?

I thought 'bottom 3' meant that  3 go down....not just one.

Does the fact that Villa are currently 7 points worse off than us make it any less likely that we will go down as well..?

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