Rocker Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Do we think there is a connection with this case and the Takeover ? The only connection is both will fail. Takeover will go ahead. Sorry Dokko, mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Anything that gets a potential buyer more money can only help imo. What if its less money though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Anything that gets a potential buyer more money can only help imo. What if its less money though? I'll let you ponder a bit more to draw the expected inference if that's OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Anything that gets a potential buyer more money can only help imo. What if its less money though? I'll let you ponder a bit more to draw the expected inference if that's OK. What I'm getting at is if she wins the local media will spin it as great news for the takeover they are pretending is still on, but if she loses they'll say it doesn't have any effect on it. All about needing something to write about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Anything that gets a potential buyer more money can only help imo. What if its less money though? I'll let you ponder a bit more to draw the expected inference if that's OK. What I'm getting at is if she wins the local media will spin it as great news for the takeover they are pretending is still on, but if she loses they'll say it doesn't have any effect on it. All about needing something to write about. Like you say, I don't think it's unreasonable in these uncertain times that extra available capital for a risky venture like buying NUFC would be more than a welcome to help. However, I think the negative outcome of the case would matter more now than it did before in the current economic climate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 How many times have we done the bread puns now in this thread? We should wrap this up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Easy tiger, rye you got to keep going on about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Anything that gets a potential buyer more money can only help imo. What if its less money though? I'll let you ponder a bit more to draw the expected inference if that's OK. What I'm getting at is if she wins the local media will spin it as great news for the takeover they are pretending is still on, but if she loses they'll say it doesn't have any effect on it. All about needing something to write about. Like you say, I don't think it's unreasonable in these uncertain times that extra available capital for a risky venture like buying NUFC would be more than a welcome to help. However, I think the negative outcome of the case would matter more now than it did before in the current economic climate. Yep. But in terms of what does it mean for a takeover in terms of happening /not happening its completely irrelevant. And it's not happening anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 It’s definitely connected, the money that the Reubens put up as a deposit to cover Staveley was based on the money she'd make off the case. I’m sure she could probably scape it together if she loses but it’s still significant. Like I mentioned before, I’d heard there was a different setup that could move forward that didn’t involve her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 It’s definitely connected, the money that the Reubens put up as a deposit to cover Staveley was based on the money she'd make off the case. I’m sure she could probably scape it together if she loses but it’s still significant. Like I mentioned before, I’d heard there was a different setup that could move forward that didn’t involve her. How could you know that, or anyone else for that matter ? That just sounds like something plausible but it reality is just utter nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Anything that gets a potential buyer more money can only help imo. What if its less money though? I'll let you ponder a bit more to draw the expected inference if that's OK. What I'm getting at is if she wins the local media will spin it as great news for the takeover they are pretending is still on, but if she loses they'll say it doesn't have any effect on it. All about needing something to write about. Like you say, I don't think it's unreasonable in these uncertain times that extra available capital for a risky venture like buying NUFC would be more than a welcome to help. However, I think the negative outcome of the case would matter more now than it did before in the current economic climate. Yep. But in terms of what does it mean for a takeover in terms of happening /not happening its completely irrelevant. And it's not happening anyway. I disagree - I was making the point that if this case falls flat, Stavely is not getting the funds that may be to some degree expected and considered in future ventures. We do not know if those funds are being leveraged behind her portion of the ownership bid for example. If they are, then yes it has a massive impact on the takeover if it relies on her having skin in the game (unlike the Man City deal). And if the funds were not counted on at the time, they might be now with the current uncertainties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Did it occur that maybe one is not connected to the other ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Did it occur that maybe one is not connected to the other ? Sure, it might not be. But I think it's unlikely it isn't connected now, as the amount of money involved for Staveley is absolutely huge in comparison to her estimated net worth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 It has fuck all to do with any potential bid for us, it's just Mr Douglas trying to get those sweet, sweet page visits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Did it occur that maybe one is not connected to the other ? Sure, it might not be. But I think it's unlikely it isn't connected now, as the amount of money involved for Staveley is absolutely huge in comparison to her estimated net worth. I just can't see her using a case against Barclays, winning it hopefully so she can fund part buying us, or paying back borrowing to buy us. Just sounds like pure fantasy. 2+2=5 like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 It has fuck all to do with any potential bid for us, it's just Mr Douglas trying to get those sweet, sweet page visits. Aye, that's my view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Did it occur that maybe one is not connected to the other ? Sure, it might not be. But I think it's unlikely it isn't connected now, as the amount of money involved for Staveley is absolutely huge in comparison to her estimated net worth. I just can't see her using a case against Barclays, winning it hopefully so she can fund part buying us, or paying back borrowing to buy us. Just sounds like pure fantasy. 2+2=5 like. A couple of petrol shop owners just bought out Asda with Asda's own money, stranger things can happen. I'm just saying that it can't be ruled out is all. In the pre-Covid times when things were more stable, it was easier to risk a bigger % of your assets on seemingly risky ventures. But now the risks are higher due to the volatility and unpredictability of the economy, she may not be as willing to part with whatever standing capital that she had available outside the Barclay's case at this point in time. So my overriding point is the outcome of the case would matter more now, than it did when it was initially brought. However, I do agree it's far fetched that the takeover bid was launched predicated on funds from a court case not even brought yet. There's more nuance to this than some are suggesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Did it occur that maybe one is not connected to the other ? Sure, it might not be. But I think it's unlikely it isn't connected now, as the amount of money involved for Staveley is absolutely huge in comparison to her estimated net worth. I just can't see her using a case against Barclays, winning it hopefully so she can fund part buying us, or paying back borrowing to buy us. Just sounds like pure fantasy. 2+2=5 like. A couple of petrol shop owners just bought out Asda with Asda's own money, stranger things can happen. I'm just saying that it can't be ruled out is all. In the pre-Covid times when things were more stable, it was easier to risk a bigger % of your assets on seemingly risky ventures. But now the risks are higher due to the volatility and unpredictability of the economy, she may not be as willing to part with whatever standing capital that she had available outside the Barclay's case at this point in time. So my overriding point is the outcome of the case would matter more now, than it did when it was initially brought. However, I do agree it's far fetched that the takeover bid was launched predicated on funds from a court case not even brought yet. There's more nuance to this than some are suggesting. Oh I would agree with that, but I think in our desperation we're seeing mirages. I hope I'm wrong like, I really do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Might be worth making an Amanda Staveley thread to separate this sort of discussion out though, as I agree it's not inextricably linked with the potential takeover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 It has f*** all to do with any potential bid for us, it's just Mr Douglas trying to get those sweet, sweet page visits. Totally. People still falling for it too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Beginnings Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I miss the ITK boys of November/December Anything to break up this purgatory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 It has fuck all to do with any potential bid for us, it's just Mr Douglas trying to get those sweet, sweet page visits. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 They need a new pic of Amanda anyway, that one has to be 6 months old. Surely she has a Zoom snapshot showing off her library that they could use to reflect the current day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 It’s definitely connected, the money that the Reubens put up as a deposit to cover Staveley was based on the money she'd make off the case. I’m sure she could probably scape it together if she loses but it’s still significant. Like I mentioned before, I’d heard there was a different setup that could move forward that didn’t involve her. How could you know that, or anyone else for that matter ? That just sounds like something plausible but it reality is just utter nonsense. It’s mentioned in the charge file that was put up on the companies house last March/April that the amount owed could be claimed against any potential financial judgements in the Barclays case. If she would have had her 10% to put up back then, the Reubens wouldn’t have had to front her for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Chinese government have ordered a ban on ownership of foreign clubs. The WBA owner has been told to sell or pull the plug on them. The Southampton owner has desperately been trying to sell the club for over a year. This isn’t the 1st time this has happened and it happens every time the Chinese economy shrinks a little. How can the EPL and other football authorities keep allowing them to invest when the investment is on condition of the Chinese governments whim? Yet our takeover gets blocked because they believe the same could be done to us even though we would have legal separation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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