et tu brute Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, Wandy said: How on earth Beloff was not removed is absolutely astounding. It gives a sense of the scale of the task we have to win this. One positive is that his conduct and decisions will be scrutinised with a fine tooth comb now. Just have to wait and see as nobody knows the evidence or arguments being put forward by both sides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, et tu brute said: One positive is that his conduct and decisions will be scrutinised with a fine tooth comb now. Just have to wait and see as nobody knows the evidence or arguments being put forward by both sides. You think? By who though? The media are barely giving this story a second glance so they certainly wont put the spotlight on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Wandy said: You think? By who though? The media are barely giving this story a second glance so they certainly wont put the spotlight on him. By the legals not the media. It went to the high court for that exact reason imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DurhamMag Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Got a feeling this is the PL equivalent to the governments Barnard Castle eye test. Everyone knows something stinks but no one does a thing about it and it just goes away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, DurhamMag said: You're only allowed to take 7 letters at a time in scrabble. Cheating bastard pastor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DurhamMag Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said: You're only allowed to take 7 letters at a time in scrabble. Cheating bastard pastor. Ha ha ha good point!!! Morning Candi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Scrabble enthusiasts got caught up in the extreme sports movement and came up with a version where you pick 8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: Scrabble enthusiasts got caught up in the extreme sports movement and came up with a version where you pick 8. nutters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankles Bennett Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 19 hours ago, B-more Mag said: I'm not sure where the idea that the issue is whether KSA and PIF are "separate" came from or why it has continued. It's not about separateness, per se, it's about ability to control (whether actually exercised or not). But if they are separate entities the KSA has no ability to control ergo it is surely all about separating the two? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 We debated this loads yesterday, it seems to me the PL rule is there to account for people who are legally separate but actually have influence. Otherwise there's no point in that clause. You could be legally separate but still have control through informal channels. Obvs this rule is a nightmare of interpretation and (AFAIK) has basically never ever been applied before. So it's still massively open to corruption. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: We debated this loads yesterday, it seems to me the PL rule is there to account for people who are legally separate but actually have influence. Otherwise there's no point in that clause. You could be legally separate but still have control through informal channels. Obvs this rule is a nightmare of interpretation and (AFAIK) has basically never ever been applied before. So it's still massively open to corruption. Let's hope the EPL have carried out their annual review of Putin's influence on Abramovich and used the same standards to judge shadow directors there; at Man City; at Palace etc etc If you have a rule it has to be applied consistently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Well exactly. Like I said, it's very much open to dodgy goings-on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) I understand the argument, but it's not really equivalent... Quote Board Members The Board of PIF comprises a team of highly qualified leaders who bring experience and expertise in economics, energy, law and finance and delivering major projects. Under the chairmanship and guidance of HRH Prince Mohammad bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud, the Board is responsible for overseeing the long-term strategy, investment policy and performance of PIF. His Royal Highness Mohammad bin Salman Al-Saud Crown Prince, Deputy Prime Minister Chairman of the Council of Economic and Development Affairs Chairman of the Public Investment Fund https://www.pif.gov.sa/en/Pages/Boradmembers.aspx Edited May 20, 2021 by B-more Mag Added link. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 They could have structured this a bit differently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Again, it starts to get a bit murky here as to what has actually happened, but assuming it hasn't happened, it would be interesting to see the KSA square up and say, yep, go ahead and O&D us, *checks notes*, EPL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 There is no way KSA would submit themselves to any test that they could fail. Too much risk of a loss of face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, morpeth mag said: Let's hope the EPL have carried out their annual review of Putin's influence on Abramovich and used the same standards to judge shadow directors there; at Man City; at Palace etc etc If you have a rule it has to be applied consistently. And not forgetting the Chinese owners of Wolves and West Brom where the state has huge influence over supposedly private businesses and individuals. I can see the argument that the definition of 'control' in the PL rules is very wide-ranging, and it does make me a bit nervous about the outcome of the arbitration. But, the PL clearly haven't been consistent in how they've have applied it and I always come back to the question, if they were so confident in their position why not just make a formal decision under rule F.1.1.1 when they were specifically asked to? My guess / hope is that it won't get to an arbitration decision. I think the rejection pf the PL's request to see the evidence relating to calculation of costs is possibly quite significant. It means that the PL can't really challenge the amount, which is probably substantial, at least tens of millions, possibly into the hundreds. Challenging jurisdiction may well be their last throw of the dice. If they lose that challenge then there is a huge amount riding on the arbitration, if they go through that and lose they'll probably be in a very weak position with the CAT case and have absolutely no way out. As it stands, even if they are relatively confident of winning the arbitration, there will still be some degree of doubt and with the potential of £100m+ and their personal ability to serve as directors potentially on the line, there will be huge pressure on them to settle both cases while they are in still in a position to do that. So I think there's a fair chance that they will settle if they lose the CAT jurisdiction challenge. Edited May 20, 2021 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 42 minutes ago, LV said: There is no way KSA would submit themselves to any test that they could fail. Too much risk of a loss of face. That's why I went with "interesting" and not necessarily smart or likely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Candi_Hills said: nutters Nigel Richards became world champion of the French edition of Scrabble without being able to speak French. He just read the French dictionary and memorised the words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, LV said: There is no way KSA would submit themselves to any test that they could fail. Too much risk of a loss of face. I'm not sure I have quite as high an opinion of the tactical nous of a regime which lets themselves get caught on tape dismembering a journalist, and that executes people it finds guilty of witchcraft or sorcery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Could do with a shot of oxyphenbutazone to ease the takeover pain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) To clarify then: - In 2 weeks: A statement from the PL to say they've read Mike's letter. - July: Arbitration - August: We get informed that arbiration failed. Beloff retires. - We pursue the CAT case right through next season. Have I got that right? Edited May 20, 2021 by Candi_Hills Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I’m still waiting for that good news after Ramadan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veriaqa Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said: To clarify then: - In 2 weeks: A statement from the PL to say they've read Mike's letter. IT IS ORDERED THAT: The Defendant is granted an extension of time to file and serve its application to contest the Tribunal’s jurisdiction until 5pm on 11 June 2021 - July: Arbitration - August: We get informed that arbiration failed. Beloff retires. - We pursue the CAT case right through next season. Have I got that right? It literally just posted a few pages back. Edited May 20, 2021 by veriaqa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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