Fantail Breeze Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Keith involved in a conversation with someone who has genuine knowledge and he’s looking like an absolute tit, shocker. This podcast alone should put to bed any hope people have left like. Absolutely grim, but Ashley is going nowhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said: Keith involved in a conversation with someone who has genuine knowledge and he’s looking like an absolute tit, shocker. This podcast alone should put to bed any hope people have left like. Absolutely grim, but Ashley is going nowhere. You're telling me that Keith getting put in his place puts to bed any hopes of a takeover? He's not the one taking the PL to court, nor is he in arbitration with the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Dunno how you can read it like that. Both appear to have genuine knowledge and both came across a a pair of tits if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Looking forward to that podcast being spun as good news. Not sure how they'll manage it, but they'll try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 30 minutes ago, Rocker said: You're telling me that Keith getting put in his place puts to bed any hopes of a takeover? He's not the one taking the PL to court, nor is he in arbitration with the PL. No. The information Jacobs is providing should put to bed the hope. The BeIn letter was sent to all clubs, that he’s been very open in explaining he has spoken to all sides, that there are two imminent stories to cast doubt on the separation further... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 It's interesting these stories are being leaked, rather than the relevant evidence just being provided to the hearing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: No. The information Jacobs is providing should put to bed the hope. The BeIn letter was sent to all clubs, that he’s been very open in explaining he has spoken to all sides, that there are two imminent stories to cast doubt on the separation further... Did you listen to it? Jacobs wasn't overly negative on the takeover at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rocker said: Did you listen to it? Jacobs wasn't overly negative on the takeover at all. I’m listening to it now. I’d argue MBS lobbying the Government makes it difficult to prove separation. He also referred to a negative story due out next week to further dampen hopes around proving separation. Edited May 28, 2021 by Fantail Breeze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Why is Ben Jacobs so in the loop though. Is he doing actual journalistic work or what? Still perplexed at his deep knowledge and/or deep interest in it. His points might be right mind, I don't listen to wraiths podcast or any twitter nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenrot Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Aye so when the Foreign Office and/or the PM lobbies on behalf of British companies, which happens all the time, that means that Boris Johnson is a shadow director? Lobbying means nowt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenrot Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 In fact it would be weird it MBS hadn’t lobbied on behalf of PIF, because if he thinks its a good deal, its in his interests for PIF to make as much money as possible — that’s the entire point of an investment fund. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, The Prophet said: It's interesting these stories are being leaked, rather than the relevant evidence just being provided to the hearing. It's interesting that when Keith does similar it's called "revealed" but if it's anything deemed negative towards the takeover it's called "leaked". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, NE27 said: Why is Ben Jacobs so in the loop though. Is he doing actual journalistic work or what? Still perplexed at his deep knowledge and/or deep interest in it. His points might be right mind, I don't listen to wraiths podcast or any twitter nonsense. Well, I mean it’s his job? He’s a journalist. He was very balanced again tonight. He’s by far the best journalist covering this story, but as he said himself - unfortunately, he puts out both sides of the story and certain sections of the fan base can’t accept that. He again made it clear the only pathway to this takeover is NUFC winning arbitration. Let us hope they do. But based on what I’ve heard tonight, my confidence on that is low. Will be intrigued to hear these two stories; one proving Saudi money was involved in the ESL and the other making separation difficult to prove. Clearly two stories leaked by PL sources (or those not wanting the takeover) ahead of the imminent arbitration, but potentially two damaging stories. Just got to sit back and hope we get the right result. But the amount of shit Jacobs has taken for doing his job is absurd. Along with all of this shit everyone gets who dares not blindly believe the ‘positives’. Edited May 28, 2021 by Fantail Breeze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: I’m listening to it now. I’d argue MBS lobbying the Government makes it difficult to prove separation. He also referred to a negative story due out next week to further dampen hopes around proving separation. There's going to be mud slung by both parties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Just now, Rocker said: There's going to be mud slung by both parties. But the mud slung by one side tends to have facts behind it, whereas the other is speculative. For example - Jacobs’ dismissing claims the BeIN letter only went to the top 6 (and claiming to have evidence of that), immediately throwing Keith’s ‘big reveal’ from last week in the bin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Joey Linton said: It's interesting that when Keith does similar it's called "revealed" but if it's anything deemed negative towards the takeover it's called "leaked". I don't know who Keith is, but yes, it sounds like someone from the PL side has been leaking stories to the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Just finished watching Ben vs Keith. I don't know how anyone could watch that and think anybody won or made the other look daft. We simply don't have the information, either relating to the case or as lawyers ourselves, to know who sits in a stronger position. One example: Ben saying MBS lobbied the government and Keith saying he didn't. First you have to understand what would constitute lobbying this case (I don't). Then you have to consider all the legal precedent, the context and all the other information the lawyers are going to be leaning on (I know none of that either). Then you have whatever dodgy corrupt shit is going to be piled on top of the legal case (I daren't think). You're talking world class legal personnel combing through a highly complex case, which itself going to be tarred with corruption and lobbying, and then you've got people sitting here with 2% of the case material at their disposal beating away at their gavels. In months gone by I argued the toss that Amanda and PIF were still trying to buy club when Fanny and the gang were saying "Mike just wants compo". That much I felt confident about saying. I'm out when it comes the details of the legal case though. I haven't got a sodding clue who has the stronger case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said: Just finished watching Ben vs Keith. I don't know how anyone could watch that and think anybody won or made the other look daft. We simply don't have the information, either relating to the case or as lawyers ourselves, to know who sits in a stronger position. One example: Ben saying MBS lobbied the government and Keith saying he didn't. First you have to understand what would constitute lobbying this case (I don't). Then you have to consider all the legal precedent, the context and all the other information the lawyers are going to be leaning on (I know none of that either). Then you have whatever dodgy corrupt shit is going to be piled on top of the legal case (I daren't think). You're talking world class legal personnel combing through a highly complex case, which itself going to be tarred with corruption and lobbying, and then you've got people sitting here with 2% of the case material at their disposal beating away at their gavels. In months gone by I argued the toss that Amanda and PIF were still trying to buy club when Fanny and the gang were saying "Mike just wants compo". That much I felt confident about saying. I'm out when it comes the details of the legal case though. I haven't got a sodding clue who has the stronger case. Good post. Won't suit either agenda, but this is pretty much where we're at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Fantail Breeze said: Well, I mean it’s his job? He’s a journalist Fair I suppose. Still find it odd why he's picked this story up and ran with it though. Journalists who cover nufc don't even go to such depths, unless you count the baldy feminist over at the telegraph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said: Just finished watching Ben vs Keith. I don't know how anyone could watch that and think anybody won or made the other look daft. We simply don't have the information, either relating to the case or as lawyers ourselves, to know who sits in a stronger position. One example: Ben saying MBS lobbied the government and Keith saying he didn't. First you have to understand what would constitute lobbying this case (I don't). Then you have to consider all the legal precedent, the context and all the other information the lawyers are going to be leaning on (I know none of that either). Then you have whatever dodgy corrupt shit is going to be piled on top of the legal case (I daren't think). You're talking world class legal personnel combing through a highly complex case, which itself going to be tarred with corruption and lobbying, and then you've got people sitting here with 2% of the case material at their disposal beating away at their gavels. In months gone by I argued the toss that Amanda and PIF were still trying to buy club when Fanny and the gang were saying "Mike just wants compo". That much I felt confident about saying. I'm out when it comes the details of the legal case though. I haven't got a sodding clue who has the stronger case. I don’t think anyone is ‘beating away at their gavels’. There is a weird perception that any post which isn’t entirely positive means people either hope or expect the takeover to fail entirely or are making judgements. I’m certainly not making judgements on what will or won’t happen. I don’t know what will happen to the takeover. I certainly don’t want it to fail. All I am saying is that my expectations on what will happen is built around the fact that the negative press around the takeover seems to have more substance than the positive. An example tonight was Keith’s whole argument for the last hour was “disclosure will reveal something damming for the PL”. He doesn’t know that. It’s impossible to know that. It’s speculative. Whereas Jacobs was explaining how he has seen evidence to support his knowledge that there are two imminent stories that will be disruptive for the takeover. There will be two stories coming out that are going to be negative. It’s not guaranteed disclosure will support our case at all. I don’t think I’ve seen a single post from ‘me and the gang’ where someone has tried to tell everyone what will definitely happen. I’ve just seen people posting their own opinions. Well, apart from Manorpark and Whitley who are constantly telling us the takeover definitely will happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 minute ago, NE27 said: Fair I suppose. Still find it odd why he's picked this story up and ran with it though. Journalists who cover nufc don't even go to such depths, unless you count the baldy feminist over at the telegraph. He’s an journalist predominantly focusing on Middle East and sport, it’s a major news story crossing over his two fields. It’d be like Laura Kuennsberg not reporting on a political news story. That’s also why his opinion is a good one to listen to. His contact book is far greater (and balanced) than people like Liam Kennedy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) IF Keith has documentation now being used by the club in their CAT case, which implicates parties of illegal conduct and helps in our takeover eventually being cleared, then good on him. Nobody knows what the documentation is or what it can actually prove. The one thing I can’t get round is why he needs to disclose certain parts within his Twitter account and on Wraith’s podcast, whilst due to legal confidentiality I presume he can’t state other parts. I think he would have been better keeping quiet and letting the legal process to play out. I’ve heard arguments he’s keeping fans informed and also that it’s to put pressure on the Premier League via public knowledge of their alleged wrongdoings. Just my opinion, but think I’d just prefer to hear when the authorities decide in both cases, instead of hearing both negative and positive bites on Twitter (and here) based mainly on conjecture. Nobody really knows exactly what legal arguments are being presented and what actual documentation these arguments will show. Edited May 28, 2021 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Any evidence presented to the press has most likely been done so because it holds minimal weight at the hearing and it's being used to discredit the opposing party before it kicks off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, et tu brute said: IF Keith has documentation now being used by the club in their CAT case, which implicates parties of illegal conduct and helps in our takeover eventually being cleared, then good on him. Nobody knows what the documentation is or what it can actually prove. The one thing I can’t get round is why he needs to disclose certain parts within his Twitter account and on Wraith’s podcast, whilst due to legal confidentiality I presume he can’t state other parts. I think he would have been better keeping quiet and letting the legal process to play out. I’ve heard arguments he’s keeping fans informed and also that it’s to put pressure on the Premier League via public knowledge of their alleged wrongdoings. Just my opinion, but think I’d just prefer to hear when the authorities decide in both cases, instead of hearing both negative and positive bites on Twitter (and here) based mainly on conjecture. Nobody really knows exactly what legal arguments are being presented and what actual documentation these arguments will show. Keith made some very interesting comments regarding his role in all of this. He spoke of conversations with Amanda Staveley and said that she wanted someone to front a fan led campaign. Remember those murmurings last year that NCSL was being funded by the buyers? All very interesting. He also said that he's been told by QC O'Donoghue that the PL are knackered if it gets to disclosure. I don't know how true that is but at least you know where his confidence comes from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said: Keith made some very interesting comments regarding his role in all of this. He spoke of conversations with Amanda Staveley and said that she wanted someone to front a fan led campaign. Remember those murmurings last year that NCSL was being funded by the buyers? All very interesting. He also said that he's been told by QC O'Donoghue that the PL are knackered if it gets to disclosure. I don't know how true that is but at least you know where his confidence comes from. Not disputing what he’s saying, I don’t know if his confidence is correct and none of us can until the cases are decided. Just think he would have been better to just let the legal side play out. Just my opinion anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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