Robster Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Isn't the PL's answer to that long letter "PIRACY and BEOUTQ" They should still be attacked though for their negligence to the club and the fans through lack of communication. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 The daft thing is that had the PL looked at it and rejected it after a month on the grounds of piracy then I think most fans would have, regrettably, shrugged their shoulders and said fair enough. It's the fact they didn't have the courage to make any kind of decision that's got them into this shitfest. Cowering away for 4 months in silence is what had caused 90% of the anger I think. From their perspective they now don't know what to do - come out and say something and look like they've bowed to the pressure or continue to stay silent on everything and look even weaker for it. It's a pickle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Everytime I load the forum, The first thing I see is "Official: Saudi-back....." always stupidly get my hopes up it's going to say Back in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 The daft thing is that had the PL looked at it and rejected it after a month on the grounds of piracy then I think most fans would have, regrettably, shrugged their shoulders and said fair enough. It's the fact they didn't have the courage to make any kind of decision that's got them into this shitfest. Cowering away for 4 months in silence is what had caused 90% of the anger I think. From their perspective they now don't know what to do - come out and say something and look like they've bowed to the pressure or continue to stay silent on everything and look even weaker for it. It's a pickle. And if they had rejected it at that point they might have had legitimate grounds to do so (albeit weak given that the WTO report isn't really equivalent to a conviction of an offence by a court). Now that the WTO report has been appealed, and there is no reasonable prospect of that appeal being determined in the foreseeable future, that 'conviction' is no longer an applicable disqualifying event: F.15.5. the Disqualifying Event is a Conviction which is the subject of an appeal which has not yet been determined and in all the circumstances it would be unreasonable for the individual to be disqualified as a Director pending the determination of that appeal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 The daft thing is that had the PL looked at it and rejected it after a month on the grounds of piracy then I think most fans would have, regrettably, shrugged their shoulders and said fair enough. It's the fact they didn't have the courage to make any kind of decision that's got them into this shitfest. Cowering away for 4 months in silence is what had caused 90% of the anger I think. From their perspective they now don't know what to do - come out and say something and look like they've bowed to the pressure or continue to stay silent on everything and look even weaker for it. It's a pickle. Yes, though think plenty would be upset, and understandibly so considering promise of getting rid of Ashley. At least a decision is a decision though. Next time someone of dubious character tries to buy a footy club, if the premier league reject them after a week or two, will they not demand to know why they weren't given a frankly endless amount of time to try and get house in order? Obviously didn't work for us and I guess the real issue was they were waiting to see if Saudi Arabia did clamp down on piracy, but in the end they banned bein after all regardless of the reasoning. Surely a more fair way of doing it would have been publicly rejecting PCP with explanation that if they come back in 12 months sorted out the piracy issue they will reconsider? Then at least everyone knows where everyone stands Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Are the PL an entirely private company? I wonder whether there’s any actual legal requirement for them to apply the test consistently or to answer to anyone except the member clubs. Basically, can they do anything they want? The test is only for the PL, at least the PL have a test unlike many european leagues. PIF should just buy us regardless of PL approval, then apply to join one of those European leagues instead. The Scots would welcome us with open arms. I think PIF should buy us and see if the PL stop us from playing in their competition. We can always apply to play in the Scottish league in the meantime if they say no. English football would be a miss, but at the same time it wouldn't exactly be the worst thing either. Think I'd prefer to compete in the Scots league rather than continue to be used as bog roll to clean the arses of the established top 6. Oh and I would like to think that losing Newcastle from the Premier might hurt that competition too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Are the PL an entirely private company? I wonder whether there’s any actual legal requirement for them to apply the test consistently or to answer to anyone except the member clubs. Basically, can they do anything they want? The test is only for the PL, at least the PL have a test unlike many european leagues. PIF should just buy us regardless of PL approval, then apply to join one of those European leagues instead. The Scots would welcome us with open arms. I think PIF should buy us and see if the PL stop us from playing in their competition. We can always apply to play in the Scottish league in the meantime if they say no. English football would be a miss, but at the same time it wouldn't exactly be the worst thing either. Think I'd prefer to compete in the Scots league rather than continue to be used as bog roll to clean the arses of the established top 6. Oh and I would like to think that losing Newcastle from the Premier might hurt that competition too. Big fan of this idea with all the public pressure now and MP letters flying, they would have some balls to expel us from league. Add to this would it not fall into a legal grey area as they have neither approved or rejected. Basically I have no fucking idea but would be great fun to watch, unfortunately I don’t think PIF are a charity and will be banking on tv income from PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 PIF want us cos we are in the premier league, we have waaaay less value in the scottish league for publicity etc. The money prolly wouldnt be an issue, they want to look good in the eyes of the world Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 https://twitter.com/17WeekWarrior/status/1291296801610502147 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 PIF should just buy a shit load of clubs and create their own European super league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Crazy. The takeover is claimed to have failed. How can it fail when there was never a decision made? All that happen was the buyers pulled out. PL have never said it failed. So that is what we should be demanding. Asking them for the results for theor stupid test. If it is rejected, the I will call it failed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Are the PL an entirely private company? I wonder whether there’s any actual legal requirement for them to apply the test consistently or to answer to anyone except the member clubs. Basically, can they do anything they want? The test is only for the PL, at least the PL have a test unlike many european leagues. PIF should just buy us regardless of PL approval, then apply to join one of those European leagues instead. The Scots would welcome us with open arms. I think PIF should buy us and see if the PL stop us from playing in their competition. We can always apply to play in the Scottish league in the meantime if they say no. English football would be a miss, but at the same time it wouldn't exactly be the worst thing either. Think I'd prefer to compete in the Scots league rather than continue to be used as bog roll to clean the arses of the established top 6. Oh and I would like to think that losing Newcastle from the Premier might hurt that competition too. They should, the PL can't suspend the club unless they actually make a decision. Although the rules state that a director should not be appointed until they have received confirmation that they are not liable to be disqualified, the rules on suspension of a club under the O&D test require that confirmation of liability for disqualification of the directors is issued before the club can actually be suspended. In theory Ashley could just appoint all of the proposed directors while he still owns the club and force the PL to make a decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 From the govt website i wonder if PIF have approached them to facilitate with PL. Department for International Trade Location: Saudi Arabia Part of: Department for International Trade DIT provides trade and investment services and practical support. We help UK companies succeed in Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabian companies set up and invest in the UK. We offer expertise and contacts through our extensive network of specialists in the UK, and staff in the British Embassy in Riyadh, at the British Consulate General in Jeddah and the British Trade Office in Al Khobar. Set up a business and invest in the UK Discover investment opportunities and learn how your business can expand to the UK on great.gov.uk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Are the PL an entirely private company? I wonder whether there’s any actual legal requirement for them to apply the test consistently or to answer to anyone except the member clubs. Basically, can they do anything they want? The test is only for the PL, at least the PL have a test unlike many european leagues. PIF should just buy us regardless of PL approval, then apply to join one of those European leagues instead. The Scots would welcome us with open arms. I think PIF should buy us and see if the PL stop us from playing in their competition. We can always apply to play in the Scottish league in the meantime if they say no. English football would be a miss, but at the same time it wouldn't exactly be the worst thing either. Think I'd prefer to compete in the Scots league rather than continue to be used as bog roll to clean the arses of the established top 6. Oh and I would like to think that losing Newcastle from the Premier might hurt that competition too. They should, the PL can't suspend the club unless they actually make a decision. Although the rules state that a director should not be appointed until they have received confirmation that they are not liable to be disqualified, the rules on suspension of a club under the O&D test require that confirmation of liability for disqualification of the directors is issued before the club can actually be suspended. In theory Ashley could just appoint all of the proposed directors while he still owns the club and force the PL to make a decision. Imagine that face turn from Ashley. Think I'd actually forgive him the past thirteen years if he did that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 It would've been better to do that when we were still playing but safe, that would have really put pressure on the PL to show their hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 In light of the above discussion, I suspect legal action is def being considered if PL don’t budge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 If they did the deal anyway couldn't the PL expell us from the league? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 If they did the deal anyway couldn't the PL expell us from the league? Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 If they did the deal anyway couldn't the PL expell us from the league? Yes. With the mother of all legal battles to follow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 If they did the deal anyway couldn't the PL expell us from the league? The PL could suspend us from playing matches until the director/s resign, they couldn't actually expel us. But to do that the PL actually has to issue a decision disqualifying the director/s first. Which is why it would've been a good idea to try that while we were still playing but safe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishMagpie Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Everytime I load the forum, The first thing I see is "Official: Saudi-back....." always stupidly get my hopes up it's going to say Back in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Can we get Captain Tom involved? I'd have the owld cunt over Bruce at this point. :lol: :lol: ‘Sir owld cunt’ now You disrespectful oik Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 If they did the deal anyway couldn't the PL expell us from the league? Yes. They could but it would open up a whole can of worms which would cause a storm across the football world. I think if the PL were put with their backs to the wall in such a fashion they would quickly find a way to thrash out a deal. NUFC might not be much of a big player any more, but still big enough for the PL not to want to lose them, or see such a spectacle on display for the whole world to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 If the deal was dead, Caulkin would come out and say it is - it’s clearly not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 If the premier league fails us, SA buys us anyway and they back down and let us in they will be even more of a laughing stock and every other club would be up in arms. The structure of the league, may be wrong is essentially the clubs in the league are essentially counted as joint owners of the league, am I right? It would be totally ludicrous and they'd prefer the stink of kicking us out to the stink of every club in the league being outraged at us being given 'special treatment'. It is not a realistic suggestion in my opinion. I honestly think it's a dead parrot. Most likely avenue of hope would be league saying they'd have a look at it again in a future timeframe, and even then who knows if they don't just do the same thing again then? There are precious few straws left to clutch tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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