Waddles mullet Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bishops Finger said: Good to see you agree with yourself Old news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 3 hours ago, HaydnNUFC said: I sort of am with @Rosenrot here tbh. Newcastle fans have never had the appetite for mass protest or mass boycotts. I've protested when possible and not been to SJP since May 2019 but I'm thinking that everything about the club at this point, including protesting/boycotting on top of everything else, is totally pointless. On top of that I generally resent the discussion on matchgoing fans on here, it's toxic as fuck and achieves nothing. Part of the reason why I've attempted self imposed exiles from here, which haven't lasted long. But I miss going so much. I'd not go back whilst Bruce is in charge but replace him with someone like Howe and I'd think about it though. Starting to come around to this to be honest. I wish there was more of a will to protest and make a difference, but when there's STILL 50k fans going to games, it's becoming a bit cut your nose of to spite your face unfortunately. Ashley won't be here forever, if you want to go to a game while he's here you should be able to it without feeling bad about it. It's our (yours, I'm not a local) club, not Ashley's after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 There’s the rub. It’s very much not and Ashley exploits that belief but yes it’s still ours of a fashion and try telling people otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddles mullet Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: As the original haircut username I'd like it on record that I'm not and have never been a Mullet By the way Waddles mullet was alive way before colo curlies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Rosenrot said: I am Jewish so that's unlikely. What a ridiculous comparison. You cannot compare the holocaust to Ashley's ownership of NUFC FFS. With the present hike in prices there is no way Ashley is spending serious money on gas. Live and let live. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Attending games and paying for tickets is a tacit endorsement of what's happening to the club. The act of buying a ticket and attending is effectively saying "yeah, I'm fine with this, here's some money, I like this and I'm happy to witness what's happening" imo. The people attending are facilitating the owner and their constant stream of money is a huge contributing factor in him still being here more than 13 years after he said he'd got the message an wanted to leave and sell up. If these people are happy to continue to fund Ashley's reign then that's on them. If they can look themselves in the mirror and absolve themselves of blame whilst the club gets smaller by the day then that's on them. If they continue to attend and fund the demise of the club they claim to love AND utter a word of complaint then they can fuck clean off. They, and their steady stream of cash into Ashley's pocket, are the major reason he's still here. Just walk away and stay away for a season ffs. He'd run a mile with a season of 40000 empty seats each week. Won't happen though. Cunts addicted to the idea they're mint fans, it's the exact opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 In terms of the takeover, would it make any difference if Ashley listed the club again on the stock exchange? Is the rules for owning a majority share any different? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 29th September Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Just following up on @middsearlier post too. The empty seats have previously hugely embarrassed him into giving away his product for fuck all to save the shame. Following covid and the impact of empty stadiums, we're now told in all areas of the press, of the financial consequences - we're told to expect NUFC's book to demonstrate the damage of such stadia cashflow gaps. And yet still the militant mild remain unmoved in their selfishness of attending and fucking moaning about it. One fucking season. Nine fucking months. Bail out for a short term hiatus. Not much to ask, you pricks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I genuinely can’t believe so many are still turning up after Ashley sticking with Bruce while the majority of last season was dogshit & yet another failed takeover. More fool me tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 completely forgot about this CAT bollocks, what's the most likely outcome then (a) immediately laughed out the place or (b) PL stall it until November 2023? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 minute ago, ManDoon said: I find it baffling that we have literal real world experience of how much attendance matters to football and to Mike Ashley himself, and still people are hiding behind “it wouldn’t make a difference man!”. It absolutely would, and it has How so? All we've seen from a Covid empty stadium is just another excuse not to spend money...even though we seem to have been the only ones affected by it. As long as we're on TV occasionally with Sports Direct logos everywhere he's happy. Ticket money is almost irrelevant now, given that we can be outspent by teams with the lowest crowds. If anything no crowd suits him better, as there's then no direct pressure on his human shields (Bruce/Charnley) and no pressure from main stream media, only a few easily brushed aside articles from the likes of Hope. It could be argued that last season with no crowd was the best ever for Ashley personally...no chants, lots of free advert space, just enough results to not draw attention to the dire performances, feeble local media reporting, minimal to no national reporting. Essentially being able to do whatever he wanted and getting away with it with no questions whatsoever. I'd argue that he would love another ban of fans attending Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 He gave away 10,000 season tickets for free in order to fill the ground up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Comparing it to COVID affected periods when noones ground is full is folly. If it was only SJP after everything had opened up then it would be massive. Not going to happen mind. People have vlogs to film, apps to promote, kids to brainwash and social lives to have alongside a myriad different reasons to pay Ashley. He operates in the languages of aggressive, assertive gesture and money and we're seemingly content forsaking the former and providing him with plenty of the latter when it comes to brass tacks. plus ca change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Yorkie said: He gave away 10,000 season tickets for free in order to fill the ground up. Standard retail practice....if you've a product no-one wants, drop the price till you can get rid of it. If anything giving them away was detrimental as it showed that having a crowd (with Bruce in charge) doesn't make his profit any better That was before a season with no fans in the ground at all..... I think he's seen now that a crowd makes little to no difference in how much money comes in and just doesn't think they're worth the hassle now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed210 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 This is all pie in the poop man cos it’s done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Darth Crooks said: Comparing it to COVID affected periods when noones ground is full is folly. If it was only SJP after everything had opened up then it would be massive. Not going to happen mind. People have vlogs to film, apps to promote, kids to brainwash and social lives to have alongside a myriad different reasons to pay Ashley. He operates in the languages of aggressive, assertive gesture and money and we're seemingly content forsaking the former and providing him with plenty of the latter when it comes to brass tacks. plus ca change. It's not folly at all...it was an enforced example of how little a crowd matters from a business perspective. An empty ground now would make much more of a statement in terms of overall and media perception, but i think we can all agree that Ashley doesn't give a stuff about that, and only looks at the numbers on the end of a balance sheet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 He used to care. He doesn’t anymore. If he cared at all he’d have bumped Bruce and tried to compete. He only cares about selling to PIF. He doesn’t give a shit about anything else. Nothing will make a difference until he fucks off and sells the club. And it’s always been about selling on his terms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, ManDoon said: He literally became an active seller when we had no crowd? Tons of clubs have been suffering from the fact no fans are coming in. I’m not sure what you mean by this? It was clearly a big effect on all clubs? Not what i'm saying... Yes lots of clubs were affected by having no crowd, but we appear to be the only ones using it as an active excuse not to invest while others get on with it and try to improve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 PIF linked with inter again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 He became a willing seller before the pandemic struck and PIF were reported as saying the affects of the Pandemic were a reason for 2nd thoughts, and then they bought some cruise liner company which didn’t fit that reasoning. Fans attending makes no odds at this stage. PIF are/ were the only show in town and Ashley has all eggs in this basket. At some point we may need to look more closely at Staveley and PIF, Staveley could be accused of stringing us along and PIF not playing ball, but they could also say they pulled out a year ago or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 55 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Standard retail practice....if you've a product no-one wants, drop the price till you can get rid of it. If anything giving them away was detrimental as it showed that having a crowd (with Bruce in charge) doesn't make his profit any better That was before a season with no fans in the ground at all..... I think he's seen now that a crowd makes little to no difference in how much money comes in and just doesn't think they're worth the hassle now. Why did he do it then if it made no difference and he wasn't bother by it? I'd say it's slightly different to normal retail practice as it's not like he had stock to get rid of to make space in a warehouse. I'd wager that the PL also don't want empty stadia otherwise it damages their brand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, gdm said: PIF linked with inter again Awesome yes please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 6 hours ago, mrmojorisin75 said: completely forgot about this CAT bollocks, what's the most likely outcome then (a) immediately laughed out the place or (b) PL stall it until November 2023? Isn't it just going to be a meeting to kick the can down the road? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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