Paully Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Before posting about our case the CAT twitter account had received a total interaction of three likes since it was set up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 That’s an awful lot of views and interest. Something NUST should look at, as it clearly shows where the majority of fans attention, time and interest is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Huge sign of public interest that which the authorities must note Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, James said: Huge sign of public interest that which the authorities must note That’s what will make the PL sweat the most, the fact that 30k people watched the stream at some point should make it impossible for the CAT to see that it isn’t in the public interest for it to play out in public Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 52 minutes ago, manorpark said: What an imagination you have !! I am following this one case, and what is at stake and money expended by us on it. It is only THIS case I am referring to, and it is obvious to me that they would not waste money "in this case" if they did not know something we do not know yet, that we are not yet aware of . . . as it is fairly clear (based on publicly available information that we DO have) that KSA runs PIF. So, as I would have hoped you would be able to work out, it is THIS case that I am talking about. I'll forgive your patronising manner, simply to say this.... Lots of cases, which appear one sided, led by world class legal people, go the wrong way. You know that though. Or at least I would have hoped you would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 42 minutes ago, Paully said: That's more than watch Sunderland play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 22 minutes ago, Shearergol said: I'll forgive your patronising manner, simply to say this.... Lots of cases, which appear one sided, led by world class legal people, go the wrong way. You know that though. Or at least I would have hoped you would. We both have a lot of 'hopes' for eachother! Our case will go the right way, for the reason that I stated earlier m'lud! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbthree3 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 One of the claims made during the jurisdiction hearing. beIN were in the middle of renegotiating their deal which was announced December 2020, Masters holding meetings which was in the media (Financial Times I remember?) with beIN who were lobbying against the deal. On the surface this has substance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Interesting. I think some uncomfortable moments for the PL are in the pipeline once stories start coming out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbthree3 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 If beIN used our takeover as leverage to wave through the broadcast deal that's significant from our end to allege Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 was the negotiating piece not known until now? that seems potentially big considering bein were sending letters about the place or something weren't they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 if they have the vaguest proof of this the PL are fucked lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 23 minutes ago, Magpie said: Put 'em in a pressure cooker, like? Fucking sick bastards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) Exactly why they didn't officially reject it. I don't think the PL rule book states a takeover can be rejected because our major money whoring media partners don't like it. Edited October 1, 2021 by Scotty66 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 2 hours ago, manorpark said: Yes, I'm sure they think there is a very strong chance of this. Also, there is no way our people, our legal team, would be investing so much time and money in the Arbitration case, if they were not certain that they would win. There will be 'something' that we do not yet know about that they will know ticks the balance massively in our favour - otherwise (quite simply) they would not be going down the Arbitration route at all !! Like they did when Keegan tore them a new one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 That would be huge news if true and they have proof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, RS said: Like they did when Keegan tore them a new one? T H I S case man, THIS one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) Will beIN and the PL be looked at if they did anything illegally in the process of negotiating the deal itself? Edited October 1, 2021 by nufcjb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, nufcjb said: Will beIN and the PL be looked at if they did anything illegally in the process of negotiating the deal itself? Who do they answer to though ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Who do they answer to though ? If its illegal then one would presume common law, jail time would be nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Magpie said: I hope we have some solid proof to back this up. Good that things like this are being leaked though, as it ramps up the pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) That Edwards piece is actually fairly balanced. Although most will call it negative because they don’t like the reality… it does seem to be fairly accurate imo. Interesting line from it: ”A judgement is due later this week.” Indicates the club should find the result out imminently. Wonder if it’ll leak to the press. Other interesting bits… ”Telegraph Sport has been informed by multiple sources on both sides of the argument that they do not believe the arbitration hearing will be postponed again. It really will be judgement time.” Burden on proof is for us to prove the PL have acted wrongly: ”For the Premier League to win the arbitration, they only have to prove that they followed and applied their own rules correctly.” And the rest of the summary, without all of his unnecessary boring guff: ”To be blunt, most observers believe that the CAT hearing (which is separate from the arbitration hearing with the Premier League) was to create noise, to make accusations against the Premier League under the protection of courtroom privilege, to air the club’s grievances in public, have them reported in the media and to create public pressure on the Premier League before the arbitration hearing. It will also allow Ashley to pursue damages if he also wins arbitration. Well-placed sources have repeatedly told Telegraph Sport that as well as reviving the takeover, Ashley has been motivated by a desire to embarrass and expose the Premier League. He wants to make things uncomfortable for them, even if he ends up losing arbitration. That is why there were accusations from his legal representatives that beIN Sports, as well as other Premier League clubs, had forced the Premier League into incorrectly applying its owners and directors test to ensure the takeover did not happen. There was also a reference made to a threat to expel Newcastle from the Premier League if they did not provide all the relevant paperwork to do with the ownership of the club. Nobody can say with absolute certainty, but the chances of Newcastle winning the arbitration and the takeover therefore going ahead seem slim. The fact that the Crown Prince is chairman of PIF and is regularly credited with controlling and masterminding the state investment vehicle’s projects in Saudi Arabia makes separation incredibly difficult to prove. The fact that PIF’s board is also made up of Government ministers is also impossible to ignore. The Premier League have always been extremely confident in the strength of their position and have not felt the need to brief against the takeover or defend themselves against Newcastle’s attacks. They believe in the process set out and have directed the buyers down this route for more than 18 months. Public pressure, a tactic used by the buying side throughout this saga, is also unlikely to influence an independent panel made up of legal experts, used to sitting and hearing complex legal cases. Newcastle fans may overwhelmingly want the takeover to happen, as does Ashley, but that is irrelevant to the strength of the legal arguments both sides can make. The fact that arbitration will take place in private is also likely to mean highly sensitive evidence relating to matters in Saudi Arabia — some of the CAT case was heard in private when this evidence was discussed on Wednesday — will have a huge bearing on the outcome. Arbitration though is long overdue and vital. It will bring closure and a definitive outcome after so long waiting. If Newcastle win, the club should have new owners before the end of the season. Lose, and the dream of becoming the richest club in the world will be over and everyone can move on accordingly.“ Edited October 1, 2021 by Fantail Breeze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: That Edwards piece is actually fairly balanced. Although most will call it negative because they don’t like the reality… it does seem to be fairly accurate imo. Interesting line from it: ”A judgement is due later this week.” Indicates the club should find the result out imminently. Wonder if it’ll leak to the press. Other interesting bits… ”Telegraph Sport has been informed by multiple sources on both sides of the argument that they do not believe the arbitration hearing will be postponed again. It really will be judgement time.” Burden on proof is for us to prove the PL have acted wrongly: ”For the Premier League to win the arbitration, they only have to prove that they followed and applied their own rules correctly.” And the rest of the summary, without all of his unnecessary boring guff: ”To be blunt, most observers believe that the CAT hearing (which is separate from the arbitration hearing with the Premier League) was to create noise, to make accusations against the Premier League under the protection of courtroom privilege, to air the club’s grievances in public, have them reported in the media and to create public pressure on the Premier League before the arbitration hearing. It will also allow Ashley to pursue damages if he also wins arbitration. Well-placed sources have repeatedly told Telegraph Sport that as well as reviving the takeover, Ashley has been motivated by a desire to embarrass and expose the Premier League. He wants to make things uncomfortable for them, even if he ends up losing arbitration. That is why there were accusations from his legal representatives that beIN Sports, as well as other Premier League clubs, had forced the Premier League into incorrectly applying its owners and directors test to ensure the takeover did not happen. There was also a reference made to a threat to expel Newcastle from the Premier League if they did not provide all the relevant paperwork to do with the ownership of the club. Nobody can say with absolute certainty, but the chances of Newcastle winning the arbitration and the takeover therefore going ahead seem slim. The fact that the Crown Prince is chairman of PIF and is regularly credited with controlling and masterminding the state investment vehicle’s projects in Saudi Arabia makes separation incredibly difficult to prove. The fact that PIF’s board is also made up of Government ministers is also impossible to ignore. The Premier League have always been extremely confident in the strength of their position and have not felt the need to brief against the takeover or defend themselves against Newcastle’s attacks. They believe in the process set out and have directed the buyers down this route for more than 18 months. Public pressure, a tactic used by the buying side throughout this saga, is also unlikely to influence an independent panel made up of legal experts, used to sitting and hearing complex legal cases. Newcastle fans may overwhelmingly want the takeover to happen, as does Ashley, but that is irrelevant to the strength of the legal arguments both sides can make. The fact that arbitration will take place in private is also likely to mean highly sensitive evidence relating to matters in Saudi Arabia — some of the CAT case was heard in private when this evidence was discussed on Wednesday — will have a huge bearing on the outcome. Arbitration though is long overdue and vital. It will bring closure and a definitive outcome after so long waiting. If Newcastle win, the club should have new owners before the end of the season. Lose, and the dream of becoming the richest club in the world will be over and everyone can move on accordingly.“ He got one thing wrong - unless the arbitration is set for the w/c 3rd January then it will be delayed as the 3rd is a bank holiday Pendants 1 - 0 Journalists Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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