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[r0cafella]

4 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Bloke supporting party that best suits his personal situation what a heinous crime. 
 

Bit like still following a club with owners you think are murderers.

 

Get off your moral fucking high horse, the bloke is entitled to support which party suits his personal situation, but still care about the vulnerable in society.

 

Pricks.

 

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

14 hours ago, The Prophet said:

I rarely find myself agreeing with True Faith, but I couldn't help but do so with the crux of their article on food banks. (I can't post the link due the server meltdown, but it can be found at the top of the True Faith Site).

 

I'm sure the Reuben-Ghodoussi kick about was well intended, but it came across as a bit crass. Two blokes, one a millionaire, one a billionaire, competing to avoid donating their loose change to a food bank. 

 

Firstly, the acceptance that food banks are a perfectly normal charity in one of the richest countries in the world needs to stop. Secondly, Reuben is part of a family who are the biggest donors to the cause of those food banks. To me at least, it's an utterly hollow gesture. 

 

I might be just a grumpy cunt, but it just felt a bit insensitive to me, even if it was meant to be a decent gesture. 

Yep, I'm with you.  It is the Rees-Mogg 'foodbanks make me proud to be British' shite.  Get to fuck, you Tory bastards.

[The Prophet]

4 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

Bloke supporting party that best suits his personal situation what a heinous crime. 
 

Bit like still following a club with owners you think are murderers.

 

Get off your moral fucking high horse, the bloke is entitled to support which party suits his personal situation, but still care about the vulnerable in society.

 

Pricks.

 

 

 

 

Who's on their high horse? I was commenting on how it made me feel. I'm sure plenty didn't give a fuck, that's fine too.

 

I have no doubt the Reuben family get all kinds of kickbacks from donating to the Conservative Party, that's their prerogative. But giving your pocket change to mask a problem, whilst donating millions to the cause of that problem seems like a pretty hollow gesture to me.

 

As it happens, I don't like our majority owners either, but again I'm not lecturing anyone or telling them they should feel the same way as I do. It's an entirely subjective view that every fan will have their own position on.

 

Every fan will have their own takes on PIF and Jamie Reuben, I'm sure. Calling people names and shouting them down because they aren't towing the pro-NUFC line won't change that. 

 

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by The Prophet

[Whitley mag]

33 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Who's on their high horse? I was commenting on how it made me feel. I'm sure plenty didn't give a fuck, that's fine too.

 

I have no doubt the Reuben family get all kinds of kickbacks from donating to the Conservative Party, that's their prerogative. But giving your pocket change to mask a problem, whilst donating millions to the cause of that problem seems like a pretty hollow gesture to me.

 

As it happens, I don't like our majority owners either, but again I'm not lecturing anyone or telling them they should feel the same way as I do. It's an entirely subjective view that every fan will have their own position on.

 

Every fan will have their own takes on PIF and Jamie Reuben, I'm sure. Calling people names and shouting them down because they aren't towing the pro-NUFC line won't change that. 

 

 

 

Is it not a hollow gesture for someone saying they care about  our owners human rights record but then ploughing their money into one of their businesses ?

 

Your basically accusing Reuben of being a hypocrite for donating to charity, everyone’s a fucking hypocrite get over yourself man.

 

 

[Hovagod]

4 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Is it not a hollow gesture for someone saying they care about  our owners human rights record but then ploughing their money into one of their businesses ?

 

Your basically accusing Reuben of being a hypocrite for donating to charity, everyone’s a fucking hypocrite get over yourself man.

 

 

The worst part is the hypocrisy. 

[Whitley mag]

10 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

The worst part is the hypocrisy. 

You can support a political party without agreeing with all their policies, his family invest millions in the Newcastle economy supporting all parts of the community in creating jobs.

 

Life’s just not black and white and the food bank are very grateful with what the new owners have done since coming in.

 

[The Prophet]

4 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Is it not a hollow gesture for someone saying they care about  our owners human rights record but then ploughing their money into one of their businesses ?

 

Your basically accusing Reuben of being a hypocrite for donating to charity, everyone’s a fucking hypocrite get over yourself man.

 

 

 

I've only recently moved back up North, so I haven't really been in a position to plough my money into the club. As I say though, everyone will have their own position on PIF and how they want to go about supporting the club, there isn't a right or a wrong answer.

 

You've called me a prick and told me to get off my high horse, but I'm not the one talking down to people or calling them names for taking up a position I don't agree with

[Whitley mag]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

I've only recently moved back up North, so I haven't really been in a position to plough my money into the club. As I say though, everyone will have their own position on PIF and how they want to go about supporting the club, there isn't a right or a wrong answer.

 

You've called me a prick and told me to get off my high horse, but I'm not the one talking down to people or calling them names for taking up a position I don't agree with

Just as there isn’t a right or wrong with Reuben donating to the food bank.

[The Prophet]

1 minute ago, Whitley mag said:

Just as there isn’t a right or wrong with Reuben donating to the food bank.

 

[Kid Icarus]

If everyone's a hypocrite, how can you or anyone ever criticise anything and how can anything ever get better?

 

Yes, we're all hypocrites in some way,  largely because it's nigh on impossible to live your life without being one on some level, but unless it's egregious that shouldn't ever be a reason to point out how things could be better. 

 

It's the same old tired 'yet you live in a society, curious!' point. The individualisation of systemic problems and saying  'oh well If you don't like it, why don't you make a change in yourself?' is there to misdirect you away from the companies and ultra-rich who are huge cogs in a system designed to benefit them at all of our expense.

 

Whether it's not littering, recycling, your carbon footprint, electric cars or a whole host of other things, it's all bullshit that they know doesn't even scrape the surface and wouldn't even if everyone did it. You're making their argument for them while they're ripping you and everyone off to your face and robbing our children and grandchildren of their futures.

 

Criticising what our owners do is fair game, they're not untouchable or immune to criticism and everyone is entitled to their opinion. If, as is often said "they're just like us" then there's no reason they can't be criticised like the rest of us. 

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with pointing out that donating to the Tories then to the food banks they've created is them having their cake and eating it. There's nothing wrong with saying that them turning that charity into a game is crass.

 

Reaping the benefits of funding the problem then reaping the benefits (through tax and PR) of donating to the charities the problems they've funded have created. It's not rocket science, it's a tale as old as time. There's nothing wrong with criticising that and not wanting that. Whether it's our owners doing it or any other company or 1%er is irrelevant really, the problem is that anyone can do it, not just them.

 

Of course they'll vote in their interests, it's no surprise they're voting in their class interests. I just wish the working class would and stop excusing this bollocks, but that's another point really.

 

What I do think is pure cognitive dissonance though is getting all smitten over how Staveley and co are apparently selfless and charitable, but then immediately turning around and saying 'well of course they donate in their own interests!' when their Tory party donations are pointed out. 

 

 

Edited May 27, 2023 by Kid Icarus

[TheBrownBottle]

5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Of course they'll vote in their interests, it's no surprise they're voting in their class interests. I just wish the working class would and stop excusing this bollocks, but that's another point really.

100% - that was the point which raised my eyebrow, but I didn’t bother to raise owt further.  The idea that ‘everyone votes in the own self-interest’ is plainly untrue - the working class certainly doesn’t in the numbers which would prevent the abuses meted out

[BoSelecta]

One of the many privileges of being extremely rich is you can vote against your own financial interests with negligible impact on the comfort of your life (if you believe what’s better for the country may impact you personally). They support the tories on an idealogical level, saying they have to vote Tory for their own best interests is a lazy excuse. 
 

21 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

his family invest millions in the Newcastle economy supporting all parts of the community in creating jobs.

 

The trickle down defence. They invest for their own betterment not some altruistic campaign to improve our city. Why are you angrily defending billionaires against a reasonable point.

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

9 minutes ago, BoSelecta said:

One of the many privileges of being extremely rich is you can vote against your own financial interests with negligible impact on the comfort of your life (if you believe what’s better for the country may impact you personally). They support the tories on an idealogical level, saying they have to vote Tory for their own best interests is a lazy excuse. 
 

 

The trickle down defence. They invest for their own betterment not some altruistic campaign to improve our city. Why are you angrily defending billionaires against a reasonable point.

Who doesn't / wouldn't invest for their own & their families benefit / betterment? I know I do & at the same time sponsoring many local charities, boxing clubs, football teams, etc which I cede all help promote my businesses, this may or may not be deemed as altruism depends on your view I suppose but I do know the help we give is needed & i'm told very much appreciated & valued / used well. suppose everyone will view it differently, who knows really ? 

 

[BoSelecta]

8 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Who doesn't / wouldn't invest for their own & their families benefit / betterment? I know I do & at the same time sponsoring many local charities, boxing clubs, football teams, etc which I cede all help promote my businesses, this may or may not be deemed as altruism depends on your view I suppose but I do know the help we give is needed & i'm told very much appreciated & valued / used well. suppose everyone will view it differently, who knows really ? 

 

Just to unpick my point a little I was referring to the extremely wealthy having the privilege to vote against their own self interest with no meaningful impact on their lives. If Jamie Reuben loses a billion or two off his networth he’s still got more money than he and his entire family could spend in a life time.

 

Good for you if you’ve built a successful business and choose to support your community. The criticism above is around these guys doing charity work while supporting a government which brought about the conditions these charities fight to alleviate and, crucially, they have so much money they could support a fairer government while still being entirely insulated from reality in a cushion of unfathomable wealth. 

 

 

[Danh1]

17 minutes ago, Ash2579 said:

Looking forward to the sponsorship announcements! I hope the wait is due to renegotiating a higher value now CL has been secured!

 

wonder if the new kit will get an outing tomorrow? Probably not, as they’d have to use new sponsor?

Aye I cannot see that happening at all (wearing it tomorrow).

[RodneyCisse]

42 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Aye I cannot see that happening at all (wearing it tomorrow).

Wont see it until June when fun88 is out the door.

 

 

Edited May 27, 2023 by RodneyCisse

[TheBrownBottle]

3 hours ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Who doesn't / wouldn't invest for their own & their families benefit / betterment? I know I do & at the same time sponsoring many local charities, boxing clubs, football teams, etc which I cede all help promote my businesses, this may or may not be deemed as altruism depends on your view I suppose but I do know the help we give is needed & i'm told very much appreciated & valued / used well. suppose everyone will view it differently, who knows really ? 

 

It isn’t altruism, then.  It’s self-serving.  That’s not to say what you’ve described can’t be a communal good - but it is the perfect encapsulation of why charity at its core is at best capitalism playing pretend at having a conscience.  It is there to make the giver feel good - to salve their soul - yet many of those ‘giving’ will happily vote in low-taxation govts to better suit their bottom line at the expense of others.  

 

 

Edited May 27, 2023 by TheBrownBottle

[astraguy]

Would people be against the ground getting sponsored? not like the Ashley era but it would increase revenue 

[bowlingcrofty]

Wouldn’t be against a sponsor that keeps SJP as the stadium name, or each individual stand being sponsored.

 

“SJP in partnership with Noon” or something along those lines.

[David Edgar]

24 minutes ago, astraguy said:

Would people be against the ground getting sponsored? not like the Ashley era but it would increase revenue 

 

Nah, no problem with a sponsor as it will always be SJP even if the signs have a company name on it.

 

This is a money game and we should exploit every avenue.

 

 

Edited May 27, 2023 by David Edgar

[PauloGeordio]

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[TRon]

Funny I was thinking about this today, on hearing someone describing low value jobs vs high value jobs which require more intelligence. The point he was making was that many labourer jobs are menial, so get less pay, but does that make them low value? A high rank solicitor or a surgeon can earn plenty more than the average Joe on account of his skills, but he would still need his roof tiles replaced, or his drains cleared. Or do they do that stuff themselves?

 

I have always been drawn to the socialist models in other countries where there was at least the idea of equality, although I can see where these have maybe led to less growth because there's less incentive for change than there is in the capitalist system.

[Stifler]

Many labouring jobs are well paying though.

You’ll make more money on a building site or manufacturing factory than you will in shop or a call centre.

[Keegans Export]

8 minutes ago, TRon said:

Funny I was thinking about this today, on hearing someone describing low value jobs vs high value jobs which require more intelligence. The point he was making was that many labourer jobs are menial, so get less pay, but does that make them low value? A high rank solicitor or a surgeon can earn plenty more than the average Joe on account of his skills, but he would still need his roof tiles replaced, or his drains cleared. Or do they do that stuff themselves?

 

I have always been drawn to the socialist models in other countries where there was at least the idea of equality, although I can see where these have maybe led to less growth because there's less incentive for change than there is in the capitalist system.

It's partly that there are less people with the ability to become a high ranking solicitor or surgeon than a drain clearer.

 

Its not really about the value of the job - if you have a hole in your roof the best surgeon in the world had no value to you whatsoever - its just the size of the pool of people who can do that job for you. Supply and demand basically. 

[TRon]

8 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Many labouring jobs are well paying though.

You’ll make more money on a building site or manufacturing factory than you will in shop or a call centre.

 

Isn't that because we just outsource some jobs like call centres and manufacturing to third world countries rather than pay the going rate here?