Newcastle United 2 - 4 West Ham - 15/08/21 - Post-match reaction from page 18

[KaKa]

5 minutes ago, ToonArmy1892 said:

I think quite a few people think that way but just keep quiet for fear of being branded a racist, i wouldn't boo it if i went, i wouldn't applaude it either.

 

The whole thing is beyond ridiculous.

 

Why on Earth do people think they can even reach those morons? If anything they'll be revelling in the fact all this fuss is being made as a result of their idiotic behaviour.

 

Just punish those that can be identified when they do anything stupid and allow all this other meaningless nonsense. It is so insulting man.

[HaydnNUFC]

Some thick arseholes in fanbases up and down the country boo a 5 second gesture that their team does because they believe the absolute guff that the right has churned out about it being Marxist whilst most people who boo it don't know what Marxism is. They've been told that it's pandering to a 'Marxist organisation' which is just a mask to hide behind so they can boo/jeer a stance against racism because they're probably racists themselves. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

The only people I know who don’t like it are older people who think it’s a ‘black power’ gesture and we’re heading for race war or something. 
 

There are also excuses like it’s left wing or something, I dunno.

 

Basically they’re racist. 

 

The gammon and libertarians argue the defund the police stance of BLM in America, despite it not being at all relevant over here, as a reason for not supporting footballers taking the knee. Also the political beliefs of former BLMGN founder Patrisse Cullors. Both of which are obviously not at all relevant in why footballers take the knee in England. But facts dont inform their opinions unfortunately. It's an entirely disingenuous argument to justify their racism, essentially. 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2021 by Super Duper Branko Strupar

[Raconteur]

3 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

The whole thing is beyond ridiculous.

 

Why on Earth do people think they can even reach those morons? If anything they'll be revelling in the fact all this fuss is being made as a result of their idiotic behaviour.

 

Just punish those that can be identified when they do anything stupid and allow all this other meaningless nonsense. It is so insulting man.

I have to say, that reads a bit like “you can’t stop racism, so don’t try”?

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

Some thick arseholes in fanbases up and down the country boo a 5 second gesture that their team does because they believe the absolute guff that the right has churned out about it being Marxist whilst most people who boo it don't know what Marxism is. They've been told that it's pandering to a 'Marxist organisation' which is just a mask to hide behind so they can boo/jeer a stance against racism because they're probably racists themselves. 

 

See this is my problem with all of this nonsense. It's now turned into a point of argument for two political sides to have a go at each other on.

 

It has absolutely nothing to do with any "stance against racism", whatever on Earth that even means. The whole thing is a joke.

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, Raconteur said:

I have to say, that reads a bit like “you can’t stop racism, so don’t try”?

 

Prove to me you can then. Are you serious? You think kneeling down and all these silly gestures is going to stop racism? For all you know half of the people kneeling are the same ones that will be online spouting racist nonsense as soon as they are angry enough about something.

 

What you can't stop is angry ignorant people that go about taking their problems out on everyone around them and this is just one of the many ways they do. Most of these people have serious issues in their personal lives and just look for people to lash out at and justify it.

 

There are laws in place to deal with people that commit these offences, so I really don't understand what all this other meaningless guff is all about.

[huss9]

but why boo it?

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Just now, huss9 said:

but why boo it?

 

Culture war.

[Joey Linton]

1 minute ago, huss9 said:

but why boo it?

Because they are racist. 

[Raconteur]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

 

Prove to me you can then. Are you serious? You think kneeling down and all these silly gestures is going to stop racism? For all you know half of the people kneeling are the same ones that will be online spouting racist nonsense as soon as they are angry enough about something.

 

What you can't stop is angry ignorant people that go about taking their problems out on everyone around them and this is just one of the many ways they do. Most of these people have serious issues in their personal lives and just look for people to lash out at and justify it.

 

There are laws in place to deal with people that commit these offences, so I really don't understand what all this other meaningless guff is all about.

Yeah, not engaging with any of that. I was seeking clarity, and you provided it. Really disappointing attitude.

[KaKa]

Just now, Raconteur said:

Yeah, not engaging with any of that. I was seeking clarity, and you provided it. Really disappointing attitude.

 

Fair enough. Don't worry man. The gestures will continue and all the other things they come up with.

 

And we'll all get to watch the behaviour continue just as it always has. How long has this all been going on for now? I have absolutely zero faith in these people changing their ways.

 

Lets see how long they will continue kneeling for. I'm genuinely fascinated to see.

[samptime29]

This has been an intense and interesting thread. Heated.

[The Prophet]

I think it genuinely bothers folk because it works. You regularly get go back to 'Kick it out', most likely because it was easy to ignore and it didn't provoke uncomfortable conversations.

 

 

Edited August 15, 2021 by The Prophet

[KaKa]

I look forward to someone explaining to me how it is working. As a black guy I don't see it and never have.

 

Personally, I have long learnt to move on from all of it for my own sanity. Anyone who indulges in such hatred is not going to end up in a good place anyway. They're setting themselves up for their own suffering.

 

Complete waste of time waiting on people to change their ways. I'll worry about myself and surround myself with people that have some damned sense and know how to behave.

[Chris_R]

One thing kneeling does do is highlight the racists who boo it. For that reason alone I think we should keep doing it, to make everyone uncomfortable. Make people talk about it. Put their behaviour out in the open to be addressed or not addressed, as society and the people around them deem appropriate, but don't hide it. Because the problem is still there and everyone gets to pretend it isn't, and that's counterproductive.

[Sima]

Probably should have chosen my words better but fuck me, man. The sizeable portion inside that ground who enable Ashley’s administration by chucking money at him hand over fist like total cuckolds don’t deserve much credit.

 

Oh, and I was going on the regular for the best part of 30 years before I finally saw sense. If that’s adds any weight to my opinion in the eyes of some (it doesn’t make any difference at all to me).

 

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by Sima

[nufcjb]

Anyone feeling angry today? Not me. Nor am I dissapointed or sad or sore after a defeat at home on opening day Live on Sky. I don't have any energy or desire to even open let alone vent in any of the players or manager thread.

 

In fact, quitr happy we got beat and hopefully, Steve Bruce gets what he deserves this season, a rocky ride from eveeyone. Saved by the pandemic and no crowds the past two. Continue to lose and fail and blame others, that'd make it interesting for me to at least give a fuck to follow the drama.

 

But right now, I'm just meh with the club.

 

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by nufcjb

[Happinesstan]

Of all the people stating that going to the game puts money in Ashley's pocket, I wonder how many are paying to watch the game on sky an BT.

[Happinesstan]

11 hours ago, et tu brute said:

 

I was hoping Bournemouth would be back in for him (failure to go up put paid to that) as he is a total liability. He is far too slow to react and loses his man every single time. The penalty reaction was just laughable.

The trouble there is that Ashley still expects PL money for a PL player. Truth is he hasn't been PL standard for at least a year and should have already been replaced

[Happinesstan]

11 hours ago, Jaqen said:

 

Agreed, to be honest. I'll personally not put a penny into the club under Ashley (even when Rafa was here) but some of the abuse towards fans who go definitely crosses the line at times. 

 

There's parents who want to take their kids to the games, want that experience of them falling in love with the club and the games. People like my grandad who barely get out of the house other than to go to the games and see their mates who they've been going with for forever. He probably doesn't even know half the squad anymore but still enjoys the experience of a matchday. 

 

It maybe shortsighted or misguided but there's still fans who want to get some enjoyment out of it all. Even if it's just watching on TV and celebrating a win or a goal. It gets a bit tiring the same folk coming into every matchday thread celebrating every loss, wanting us to get relegated and then blaming it all on the fans. I'd support them if they were using that same time and energy trying to do something about it. 

 

Sat at home watching on your sky sports subscription glued to the forum slagging off fans going to the game for having no life doesn't really make you as superior as people seem to think. 

 

As somebody whose introduction came in the 80s I can relate to this. That said, I soon stopped going.

[Happinesstan]

10 hours ago, Yorkie said:

Tedious though it is I don't think you can really blame anyone for venting about matchgoers. Turning your back on everything that goes with supporting NUFC is really painful and upsetting; and the vast majority in the ground today devalue that sacrifice. 

 

I do think we collectively need to try and reduce being wound up by it though, cos it's a pointless waste of emotion at this point. The battle to get fans to resist en masse is very much lost. 

Fucking hell. It's my decision and my sacrifice. Demanding everybody respects your sacrifice is as precious as it gets.

[Happinesstan]

9 hours ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Best moment for me was when the divs started booing the knee but far more people started to cheer for it instead. I felt proud seeing people around me react that way - it actually restored some faith in humanity for me, as I was expecting to see what I read online all the time. A powerful reminder there are still many well-intentioned people out there. 

 

that doesn't fit the narrative of some.

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

Of all the people stating that going to the game puts money in Ashley's pocket, I wonder how many are paying to watch the game on sky an BT.

The club would get that money regardless, plus there’s other football, cricket, rugby, golf, etc you’re paying for.

 

I cannot fathom people going out of their way to pay for that ‘product’ at SJP with everything that is wrong with the club.

[Happinesstan]

1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said:

The club would get that money regardless, plus there’s other football, cricket, rugby, golf, etc you’re paying for.

 

I cannot fathom people going out of their way to pay for that ‘product’ at SJP with everything that is wrong with the club.

OK so if every fan in the country cancelled their subscriptions, the broadcasters would continue to pay billions?

I know that will never happen but it demonstrates the stupidity of your argument.

[Guest]

If NUFC stopped paying, they’re still going to get the money from the other 19 clubs’ fans and other members of the public’s money. The affect on Sky, BT and overseas broadcasters would be marginal.

 

Empty stadiums at SJP would be a huge blow to Ashley but he knows he’s safe. There’ll still be over 45k there every week.