Guest HTT II Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, Jackie Broon said: I'd recommend it, it's fascinating and terrifying, it would change your mind on the reliability of the justice system. Particularly in the US, but I imagine we have the same issues here with police deciding some is guilty because its convenient and twisting, or completely fabricating, the evidence to fit rather than actually trying to find the real perpetrator. It’s a must watch, both series, that whole family was fucked over. The poor nephew as well… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, HTT II said: It’s a must watch, both series, that whole family was fucked over. The poor nephew as well… Yeah. The way you can tell what the judges are going to decide just by looking at them, nothing to do with the actual evidence, purely their political persuasion. America is fucked up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Jackie Broon said: I'd recommend it, it's fascinating and terrifying, it would change your mind on the reliability of the justice system. Particularly in the US, but I imagine we have the same issues here with police deciding some is guilty because its convenient and twisting, or completely fabricating, the evidence to fit rather than actually trying to find the real perpetrator. We’ve had a few, the Guildford Four and no way did them two men convicted of the Rettendon murders kill those 3 blokes in the Range Rover… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macphisto Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, HTT II said: Aye! Another recommending then! Innocent Man by John Grisham if you haven't read it. Edited March 17, 2022 by macphisto Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, macphisto said: Another recommending then! Innocent Man by John Grisham if you haven't read it. I’ve seen the series! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 The Jinx is the pick of the lot imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: The Jinx is the pick of the lot imo. Aye that’s a good one and so is The Staircase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I'd rather see 1000 felons, however deviant, banged up for life if it meant 1 innocent party wasn't executed. Emotionally, I could easily see off nonces, rapists etc but the justice system doesnt and shouldnt be led by emotion. The US has a long record of innocent (usually men, usually black) being released from death row. We've a shit record as well never mind how many kids die whilst in custody. "political correctness" "cancel culture" "woke" "sportswashing" & "whataboutary" have been spoon-fed into the public domain, ironically, to subjugate discourse. Top and bottom of it all is our Gvt does considerable business with SA Inc the means to bombard Yemen. They ain't gonna flex anything. The Premier League have accepted the takeover. They ain't gonna flex anything either. As for Chelsea, these oligarchs have been buying London and tories for years. Having said that Gordon Brown was first to lay out the red carpet whilst the supposed "Putin apologist" Jeremy Corbyn was warning against allowing them and their money into the UK Football's fucked. The UK's fucked. All by Foriegn money. In short... "Toon, Toon" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCK Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Imagine being the executioner and finding out the life you took was actually innocent. I mean, imagine taking a life in the first place, but yeah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 https://innocenceproject.org/the-innocent-and-the-death-penalty/#:~:text=Eighteen people have been proven,crimes they didn't commit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, TRon said: 1) This is the same for any crime, there is always a chance that with human error/bias a miscarriage could take place. 2) But the world doesn't stop still, you have to prosecute criminals based on reasonable evidence, you can't just let everyone off under the premise it's not 100% foolproof evidence. 3) So then we would come to the more serious crimes which carry the most severe sentences. I would imagine you would need rock solid evidence if you are going to execute someone, or even put them away for life. How do they address these questions in the US? 1) Some crimes don't require any intent. 2) We are not talking about the prosecution of people but the sanction to be imposed on conviction. 3) This just simply isn't true. A jury needs to be sure based on the evidence, sure means different things to different people. That is markedly different in Practice I suspect, to what you are imagining 'rock solid' evidence to be. Rock solid itself shows you the problem with human interpretation, it means different things to different people. In the US for every 9 people executed 1 person on Death Row has been exonerated. https://eji.org/issues/death-penalty/ Is worth checking out for how the US deals with these questions; in summary, badly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliMag Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I sincerely hope that everyone going down all these rabbit holes is helping folks process this. I mean that. This is complicated and we all love the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awaymag Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, CaliMag said: I sincerely hope that everyone going down all these rabbit holes is helping folks process this. I mean that. This is complicated and we all love the club. This thread.............best represented by Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just to counter the "they're just jealous about Newcastle" shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 See Exile is in like Flynn on the comments section 😂. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) On 15/03/2022 at 06:19, Whitley mag said: Good luck to the PL with that, they’d be holding football to a completely different standard to other businesses within the U.K. As the minister quite rightly said PIF invest billions in the western economy, regardless of links to the govt our current directors would pass the O&D test. The only reason Abramovich is no longer at Chelsea is govt sanctions, that’s just not happening anytime soon with Saudi Arabia. But as a private members club, they can do that, no? Not saying they will, like. Edited March 19, 2022 by Happinesstan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: But as a private members club, they can do that, no? Not saying they will, like. Not sure they could as they are also businesses and that would bring in competition law, restraint of trade and all that stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just now, madras said: Not sure they could as they are also businesses and that would bring in competition law, restraint of trade and all that stuff. Businesses that have agreed to operate within an exclusive group of similar businesses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: Businesses that have agreed to operate within an exclusive group of similar businesses. Is that binding in law ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, madras said: Is that binding in law ? I imagine it would be for a court of law to decide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 On 17/03/2022 at 17:09, Shays Given Tim Flowers said: 1) Some crimes don't require any intent. 2) We are not talking about the prosecution of people but the sanction to be imposed on conviction. 3) This just simply isn't true. A jury needs to be sure based on the evidence, sure means different things to different people. That is markedly different in Practice I suspect, to what you are imagining 'rock solid' evidence to be. Rock solid itself shows you the problem with human interpretation, it means different things to different people. In the US for every 9 people executed 1 person on Death Row has been exonerated. https://eji.org/issues/death-penalty/ Is worth checking out for how the US deals with these questions; in summary, badly. Thnaks for that, appreciate your take on it. So despite all the miscarriages of justice in the US, they still haven't done away with capital punishment. I guess the public at large just have too much of an emotional attachment to it, and in a democracy what the people want is what goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 22 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: I imagine it would be for a court of law to decide. The point is that it's not backed up by legislation, for example the way the NHS trust fit and proper directors test is. It was made pretty obvious in the ESL debacle that at least some of the PL's rules wouldn't stand up in court, which is why the government had to threaten legislation in order to stop PL clubs from joining the ESL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 26 minutes ago, TRon said: Thnaks for that, appreciate your take on it. So despite all the miscarriages of justice in the US, they still haven't done away with capital punishment. I guess the public at large just have too much of an emotional attachment to it, and in a democracy what the people want is what goes. And the public wants what the public gets. But I don't get what this society wants! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalidao Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 hour ago, triggs said: Just to counter the "they're just jealous about Newcastle" shite. Not really countering anything. UAE is a major player in the war in Yemen. UAE has had a huge crackdown on 100s of political activists in 2012 where they were jailed without a trial. By % of population and number of crimes, UAE executes prisoners in the same rate that Saudi Arabia does. In fact just 6 months ago, they executed 5 for the murder of 1 person. None of this is regularly mentioned in the press, and I have never seen Pep Guardiola questioned about it. But hey, Man City owner had tea with a dictator. Even Macron had tea with Putin. Big deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomYam Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, Khalidao said: Not really countering anything. UAE is a major player in the war in Yemen. UAE has had a huge crackdown on 100s of political activists in 2012 where they were jailed without a trial. By % of population and number of crimes, UAE executes prisoners in the same rate that Saudi Arabia does. In fact just 6 months ago, they executed 5 for the murder of 1 person. None of this is regularly mentioned in the press, and I have never seen Pep Guardiola questioned about it. But hey, Man City owner had tea with a dictator. Even Macron had tea with Putin. Big deal. Yes. U.A.E gets a bit of a free pass in the media because a) it's been an open commercial powerhouse for 2-3 decades and many have been enriched by those ties b) lots of instagram disciples just love topping up their tans there. Saudi and U.A.E have long been joined at the hip in a big bro/little bro way, but there has been a sparating of the ways recently. Saudi wants some international commercial stardust while retaing its traditional alliances (USA, UK, EU, Kuwait, Egypt, Qatar) while U.A.E covets closer ties with China, Russia, Syria, Israel and Turkey. Vis-a-vis Yemen, my understanding is that U.A.E convinced Saudi to increase involvement there but they've backed off in attempting more cordial relations with Iran while Saudi has been left carrying the can and feels compelled to carry on in order to save face. Saudi needs to find a way out pronto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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