Eddie Howe

[The Prophet]

When Bruce left the club, we were winless with three points from a possible 24. The players were short if fitness, organisation and belief, it was a total dereliction of duty on his part.

 

Coming in Howe has had to address all of those things, plus he's tried to put his own stamp on the team, but it just doesn't seem to be cutting through.

 

So many players have gone backward, even from their performances last year. Dubs, Schar, Lascalles, Hayden and I dare say even ASM look as though they're devoid of any kind of coaching. It seems they've got away with far too much for too long and haven't responded to being asked to up their game.

 

Further, you can tell a lot from the players body language, not only do they look short of confidence, some look like they've totally given up. It shows in our inability to hold onto a single goal lead. I think with backing, he needs to be ruthless in removing these players from the side (Lescalles immediately springs to mind).

 

Its also worth remembering this side has played low block, counter attacking football for over five years. Howe is trying to coach them into a pressing, high tempo unit who takes the game to the opposition. Perhaps he needs to be more pragmatic in his approach, as it looks like he's flogging a dead horse.

 

Based on the above I think its way too early to judge Howe. He's taken a team who's been in reverse for over two years, bereft of confidence and used to playing a certain way. I don't agree with everything he's done to date, but he has shown he learns from his mistakes and he has a clear philosophy that he wants to instil in the side. We have shown signs of improvement, but clearly the rot that's set in is going to take some time to reverse. I'm all for giving him time and patience to do that.

 

[Dan Gleebals]

He definately still has my vote, for now. BUT, 1-0 at home to a shocking team and we must kill that game, at all cost or shut up shop.

 

The fact we have not had a new manager bounce, defence has got worse (at best on par) and we are not scoring anymore (despite his approach) is pretty worrying. 

 

The squad is turbo shit, and half, if not 3/4 need to go, that's not his fault. We are either more ruthless or we shut up shop and counter, at the moment we dont do either remotely well.

 

I'm an opptimistic person, however, the drop seems very likely now as nothing has really materially improved, albeit there are some areas that look marginally better. 

 

We need results.

[AJ9]

The killer is how fucking soft we are. We’ve been in positions to win games so it’s not like we can’t compete. Yes the squad is poor, but we’ve thrown away so many points and that is criminal. Everyone knows that in order to avoid relegation, you need to be drilled, keep your shape, defend for your lives when you need to. It's the unfashionable side of the game which hasn’t improved one tiny bit. We may be creating more opportunities, but we’re also not closing games out when we go ahead. 

[Awaymag]

This is how bleak it is - Eddie Howe has achieved 1 win since he arrived.

 

Dean Smith who went to Norwich.....fucking Norwich, has achieved 3 wins since going there!

 

I said after the Cambridge game that they have burnt the loyalty of the fans.  We need to clean sweep the lot.    Howe has been dealt a shit hand but I have to say, he gets a 1 out of 10 at the moment.  Only game where I thought he was starting to get his ideas across was Brentford.    Man U was maybe, other than that, I have to say his fabled style of football just hasnt appeared!

 

 

Edited January 15, 2022 by Awaymag

[macphisto]

3 minutes ago, Collage said:

Good man management is another thing. Wouldn’t describe Pep, Ancelotti, Pochettino as charismatic

You wouldn't say Pep, of all people, doesn't meet all of this criteria?  Going back to Howe, one of the most important things you need to do be able to do in a relegation fight is to inspire players to believe they are better than they are/play without fear and he just hasn't done it.

 

We have all mocked Bruce but I can see how he initially lifts the morale of a team when he first joins a club and I just don't get that with Howe. 

 

[SUPERTOON]

 

[Lazarus]

Think some are being harsh on Howe like.

 

Hes working with a sub standard squad in sub standard facilities. We have injury prone  players in key positions, we have an entire squad that appears to lack mental strength and/or confidence - maybe the saudi trip will help with this?

 

While it might be argued that none of the players, except Joelinton has improved - have any of them got worse? I dont think so.

 

What no ones mentioned yet, and for which Howe gets no credit, is that hes got the players fit. Maybe he doesnt deserve any credit for this as its such a basic part of his job. But also, while hes had 10 games, how many of those games have the players been fit enough to canny out his game plan for the full 90 mins? Maybe 6?

 

My worry at the moment is that its taking, on average, 1 week to bring a new player in. This means we bring in 2 more, hopefully a DM and a CD. Id really like to see another CD or LB, both preferably.

 

Sacking Howe would lead to more uncertainty in the club and in the players,  then another bedding in phase with a new manager. Not to mention even more criticism from fans and press that we could do without.

 

We always knew the key to staying up would be the transfer window - we are only half way through it.

[macphisto]

3 minutes ago, Awaymag said:

This is how bleak it is - Eddie Howe has achieved 1 win since he arrived.

 

Dean Smith who went to Norwich.....fucking Norwich, has achieved 3 wins since going there!

 

I said after the Cambridge game that they haven't burnt their loyalty of the fans.  We need to clean sweep the lot.    Howe has been dealt a shit hand but I have to say, he gets a 1 out of 10 at the moment.  Only game where I thought he was starting to get his ideas across was Brentford.    Man U was maybe, other than that, I have to say his fabled style of football just hasnt appeared!

Even more depressing when you consider that he only won 2 of his last 13 Premier League matches at Bournemouth. Worth noting that both Bournemouth then and Newcastle now are not newly promoted teams that you might expect to go on these type of winless runs.

 

I'd love to what his relegation with Bournemouth taught him?

[AJ9]

4 minutes ago, Awaymag said:

This is how bleak it is - Eddie Howe has achieved 1 win since he arrived.

 

Dean Smith who went to Norwich.....fucking Norwich, has achieved 3 wins since going there!

 

I said after the Cambridge game that they haven't burnt their loyalty of the fans.  We need to clean sweep the lot.    Howe has been dealt a shit hand but I have to say, he gets a 1 out of 10 at the moment.  Only game where I thought he was starting to get his ideas across was Brentford.    Man U was maybe, other than that, I have to say his fabled style of football just hasnt appeared!

It’s almost as if it was naive to think this current squad could play their way out of this. This is not a group of players that can play attacking, possession based football.

[Billy Pilgrim]

2 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

Think some are being harsh on Howe like.

 

Hes working with a sub standard squad in sub standard facilities. We have injury prone  players in key positions, we have an entire squad that appears to lack mental strength and/or confidence - maybe the saudi trip will help with this?

 

While it might be argued that none of the players, except Joelinton has improved - have any of them got worse? I dont think so.

 

What no ones mentioned yet, and for which Howe gets no credit, is that hes got the players fit. Maybe he doesnt deserve any credit for this as its such a basic part of his job. But also, while hes had 10 games, how many of those games have the players been fit enough to canny out his game plan for the full 90 mins? Maybe 6?

 

My worry at the moment is that its taking, on average, 1 week to bring a new player in. This means we bring in 2 more, hopefully a DM and a CD. Id really like to see another CD or LB, both preferably.

 

Sacking Howe would lead to more uncertainty in the club and in the players,  then another bedding in phase with a new manager. Not to mention even more criticism from fans and press that we could do without.

 

We always knew the key to staying up would be the transfer window - we are only half way through it.

It’s a harsh world where losers die and winners thrive.

[Yelevats]

1 minute ago, alijmitchell said:

It’s almost as if it was naive to think this current squad could play their way out of this. This is not a group of players that can play attacking, possession based football.

Being naive is a habit of people who don’t have a clue at what they are doing 

[Gallowgate Toon]

1 minute ago, macphisto said:

Even more depressing when you consider that he only won 2 of his last 13 Premier League matches at Bournemouth. Worth noting that both Bournemouth then and Newcastle now are not newly promoted teams that you might expect to go on these type of winless runs.

 

I'd love to what his relegation with Bournemouth taught him?

We've been on long winless runs every year since we came back up, like.

[Whitley mag]

3 minutes ago, macphisto said:

You wouldn't say Pep, of all people, doesn't meet all of this criteria?  Going back to Howe, one of the most important things you need to do be able to do in a relegation fight is to inspire players to believe they are better than they are/play without fear and he just hasn't done it.

 

We have all mocked Bruce but I can see how he initially lifts the morale of a team when he first joins a club and I just don't get that with Howe. 

 

Yeah, it’s a shame KK wasn’t a few years younger he would have inspired the cunts. I think Howe’s clearly a student of the game, but I totally get where your coming from that’s how I feel about him tonight.

 

As it happens I don’t think Emery would have been any better, as I can’t see these players responding to a technical European coach either.

 

Maybe Gerrard was that type of figure who would have inspired but also rattled a few of their fucking cages.

[Collage]

7 minutes ago, macphisto said:

You wouldn't say Pep, of all people, doesn't meet all of this criteria?  Going back to Howe, one of the most important things you need to do be able to do in a relegation fight is to inspire players to believe they are better than they are/play without fear and he just hasn't done it.

 

We have all mocked Bruce but I can see how he initially lifts the morale of a team when he first joins a club and I just don't get that with Howe. 

 

I’m saying charisma and good management are different things. We see managers doing interviews and think they’re more or less charismatic, that says fuck all about their man management.

[macphisto]

2 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

We've been on long winless runs every year since we came back up, like.

1 win by mid-January?

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

1 hour ago, Elephant said:

Do you honestly think Emery would have said yes to Chris Wood? Or Rafa?

 

Howe said yes, because obviously manager has to accept the signings. And for me that’s very concerning.

 

We can’t sign big names like Coutinho or Digne because Howe is not attracting manager. And right now we need class more than anything else.

 

Coutinho and Digne chose Villa because they're not in a relegation battle with a high chance of being relegated. Not because Howe is our manager. None of us wanted Gerrard as manager either so it's a bit rich saying we have an unattractive manager in comparison. Think Rafa could have well said yes to Wood were he our manager as well, tbh. Given the circumstances.

[Gallowgate Toon]

We've literally signed Kieran Trippier who is a genuinely elite right back 

[matta]

Just now, POOT 2.0 said:

 

Yup. It's this signing that has be clutching at straws, right now. And absolute quality signing of the highest level, IMHO. Somebody did something very very right  

 

Just repeat 4 more times, please  

Exactly what needs to be done!

[macphisto]

2 minutes ago, Collage said:

I’m saying charisma and good management are different things. We see managers doing interviews and think they’re more or less charismatic, that says fuck all about their man management.

That's not how I see charisma, I've given you a rough idea of my definition both in the examples I quoted and Forbes article. You can't divorcee man management from charisma as they are intertwined (again, refer to the Forbes article). I couldn't give a toss about interviews but for me Howe doesn't have much of a personality or presence (charisma) to inspire players. We certainly haven't had the new manager bounce under him.

[HaydnNUFC]

Poor from him today and the results don't paint him in any light. That defence is garbage plus the attack has seemed to gone backwards. But plenty of revisionism going on in here. Hate this fucking place

[MarkyMark]

Smith winning three games since joining Norwich is the most damning fact of all. We’ve burned through winnable home games over the last couple of months. 

 

I know the players are crap - we’re where we are for a reason - but this isn’t a side that’s losing 5-0 every week.  We’re chucking away winning positions every week - it’s fine margins stuff - and that’s where your manager earns a crust.  I’ve seen the square root of sod all change in that department so far. 

[SUPERTOON]

I just think all his weaknesses we knew from his time at Bournemouth and all the reservations a few of us had on here regarding his appointment are blindingly evident so far here. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

10 minutes ago, MarkyMark said:

Smith winning three games since joining Norwich is the most damning fact of all. We’ve burned through winnable home games over the last couple of months. 

 

I know the players are crap - we’re where we are for a reason - but this isn’t a side that’s losing 5-0 every week.  We’re chucking away winning positions every week - it’s fine margins stuff - and that’s where your manager earns a crust.  I’ve seen the square root of sod all change in that department so far. 

Is that true, or is it mistakes and bad quality throwing away what the manager wants? 

[ExiledGeordie]

23 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

I just think all his weaknesses we knew from his time at Bournemouth and all the reservations a few of us had on here regarding his appointment are blindingly evident so far here. 

My brother who has played a bit of football and I’ll defer to regards footballing knowledge had concerns about Howe coming in. He was worried that the defensive side wouldn’t improve at all which desperately needed sorting. I think some of his concerns have been proved right so far. 

[elbee909]

Nice guy. Can't help but have doubts. Better than Bruce absolutely but just not enough in his locker.