Eddie Howe

[r0cafella]

Just now, Kanji said:

Idk man, I’m sat here at home watching the NFL playoffs and I’m sick to bits thinking that I actually think we need to sack Howe before he takes us down. I don’t think he’s going to do it. Maybe I’ll change my mind tomorrow or end of window when we sign new center backs and midfielders. 

We need to wait and get a DOF In before doing it. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

1 hour ago, Dandy Don said:

He hardly played last season due to Parker.

If he had they would most probably have stayed up.

 

Could be wrong, but I seem to remember he started every game for roughly the first half of the season, after he'd been scoring for a few months, and he carried on playing for a bit after his form dipped and he stopped scoring. Then he was dropped. And Fulham started playing better by the end of the year.

 

I dont have anything against Mitrovic, I just think its strange to suggest a failed striker here would have been a better option than Wood, after one game, because he's scoring in the Championship. And the 25m would have been better spent on Mitrovic. Adam Armstrong scored a lot in the Championship, cost Southampton 15m, and currently starts on the bench behind a Chelsea loanee.

[duo]

1 minute ago, Shadow Puppets said:

I did say this at the time but Gerrard would definitely have been a bigger figurehead for the club like, plus he’s quite clearly a decent manager. Hilarious how many people were adamant we were too good for him back in November.

**hand up** - I sniffed at Gerrard when he was first mentioned as I saw it as a gamble.  But I would have took him over Howe any day of the week. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

13 minutes ago, duo said:

Just look at Villa to see the difference a manager makes in attracting players.

 

Or the difference in league position and propsective league next year.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

Could be wrong, but I seem to remember he started every game for roughly the first half of the season, after he'd been scoring for a few months, and he carried on playing for a bit after his form dipped and he stopped scoring. Then he was dropped. And Fulham started playing better by the end of the year.

 

I dont have anything against Mitrovic, I just think its strange to suggest a failed striker here would have been a better option than Wood, after one game, because he's scoring in the Championship. And the 25m would have been better spent on Mitrovic. Adam Armstrong scored a lot in the Championship, cost Southampton 15m, and currently starts on the bench behind a Chelsea loanee.

Don’t worry, this place just likes him because he’s mental. 

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

43 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

Just out of interest do people think Emery would have done a better job (theoretically). 

Emery was my number 1 choice and I think he'd have maaaaybe have irked out a few more points maybe today or vs Norwich, but with much more negative, defensive football in the Rafa mould. What I cannot emphasise enough though is that he'd be getting exactly the same criticism Howe's getting even with those few extra hypothetical points. 

 

For all the lack of points, lack of quality, dropped points, and stupid errors from the usual suspects, I actually enjoy watching Newcastle now and can see where Howe's going with how he wants us to play. My main criticism that's solely aimed at him is that I thought the best system to cover our weaknesses and the best style of football we've had was against Brentford. I'm not sure why he hasn't tried that again.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[TRon]

14 minutes ago, hakka said:

 

I did wonder this. How much is Gerrard as a name on top of Villa sitting higher up the league a factor.

 

Not that much I think. He's been smart enough to hire great coaches, and he's openly said he wasn't happy with his players first half today and read them the riot act. It's got nothing to do with his name, he's implementing high standards. I'm starting to wonder if Howe is too used to playing in lower leagues and he doesn't understand what top level football is about. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Emery was my number 1 choice and I think he'd have maaaaybe have irked out a few more points maybe today or vs Norwich, but with much more negative, defensive football in the Rafa mould. What I cannot emphasise enough though is that he'd be getting exactly the same criticism Howe's getting even with those few extra hypothetical points. 

 

For all the lack of points, lack of quality, dropped points, and stupid errors from the usual suspects, I actually enjoy watching Newcastle now and can see where Howe's going with how he wants us to play. My main criticism that's solely aimed at him is that I thought the best system to cover our weaknesses and the best style of football we've had was against Brentford. I'm not sure why he hasn't tried that again.

 

 

 

 

 Rights

[Geordie Ahmed]

20 minutes ago, duo said:

Just look at Villa to see the difference a manager makes in attracting players.

 

I think league position is the bigger draw

 

Now would Gerrard have had us in a better position? That's a different question but ultimately not worth dwelling on too much

 

I am surprised at how quickly people have turned on Howe, I understand the frustrations and there have been things which aren't good enough but I do believe he will come good. It might not be this season, the rot in the club was perhaps too much to fix but I think eventually once he has a bulk of his own players we'll see better. And if we don't, then fair enough, serious questions can be asked

[r0cafella]

Gerrard would also have been a massive gamble for us. 
 

The comparisons to Villa are a bit off, they’ve actually been investing for a few years where as we were being hollowed out. 

[Amir_9]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Gerrard would also have been a massive gamble for us. 
 

The comparisons to Villa are a bit off, they’ve actually been investing for a few years where as we were being hollowed out. 

 

This is true, even before the Grealish money

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

Would love to be proven wrong, but genuinely don’t think Howe is capable of turning this around.

 

 

[Sean]

Emery wouldn't have thought Chris Wood was the answer to our needs for one thing. I doubt Gerrard would either.

 

They both also would be able to attract a better quality of player than Howe. 

[duo]

1 minute ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

I think league position is the bigger draw

 

Now would Gerrard have had us in a better position? That's a different question but ultimately not worth dwelling on too much

 

I am surprised at how quickly people have turned on Howe, I understand the frustrations and there have been things which aren't good enough but I do believe he will come good. It might not be this season, the rot in the club was perhaps too much to fix but I think eventually once he has a bulk of his own players we'll see better. And if we don't, then fair enough, serious questions can be asked

Why are some convinced he will come good?  At Bournemouth he did 'ok' in the PL before he ultimately got them relegated and he actually had decent money to spend. But I saw nothing to say he's the man to take us forward.

[elbee909]

7 minutes ago, duo said:

**hand up** - I sniffed at Gerrard when he was first mentioned as I saw it as a gamble.  But I would have took him over Howe any day of the week. 

 

I'd rather Howe than Gerrard. At least he's proven himself, Gerrard's just another one of those names who'll have people playing for him for a bit then run out of steam.

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, Sean said:

Emery wouldn't have thought Chris Wood was the answer to our needs for one thing. I doubt Gerrard would either.

 

They both also would be able to attract a better quality of player than Howe. 

I totally take the point on Wood, but posts like this keep ignoring us signing Keiran Trippier

[duo]

1 minute ago, elbee909 said:

 

I'd rather Howe than Gerrard. At least he's proven himself, Gerrard's just another one of those names who'll have people playing for him for a bit then run out of steam.

proved what though? Gerrard has won a title 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

I totally take the point on Wood, but posts like this keep ignoring us signing Keiran Trippier

Trippier seemingly wanted to come back urgently and had worked with Howe previously. 
 

I think people are more referring to Howe not being a big name in football (which is a reasonable POV)

[Gallowgate Toon]

Howe really did do a good PL job at Bournemouth for a while, like. Look at the squad he got promoted with and was the core for his first two seasons - so many absolute regens. 

 

Dan Gosling was a starter in their midfield ffs.

[Vinny Green Balls]

3 minutes ago, duo said:

proved what though? Gerrard has won a title 

in what league?

[duo]

Trippier wanted to come back to uk and no other club in the uk came in for him.  we go lucky.

[Geordie Ahmed]

1 hour ago, duo said:

Why are some convinced he will come good?  At Bournemouth he did 'ok' in the PL before he ultimately got them relegated and he actually had decent money to spend. But I saw nothing to say he's the man to take us forward.

ok is a massive understatement, overall he did a brilliant job and to keep a club like Bournemouth in the PL for as long as he did was a remarkable achievement. 

[Mazzy]

I'm not going to blame Howe for anything that happens this season. This isn't his cross to bear and I'll be disappointed if he gets much stick when we are relegated.

 

This isn't even Bruce's fault to an extent, the short terms issues of player fitness and professionalism was ofcourse his doing but they can be rectified in a matter of weeks with a new manager and coaching team.

 

This lays squarely with Ashley, everything he's done to our club will take years and years to put right and even then that's just a bare minimum. I'm staying as calm as possible with the situation we are in because I do have faith the new owners and directors will come good for us. It will take longer than we would like, but it will happen and it will be fucking glorious when it does! 

[HaydnNUFC]

Neglect since January 2017 is rearing its ugly head. Relegation has been on the cards for ages and runs like the one we're on haven't been rare; 4 wins in 24 in 2017-18, 4 wins in 22 and no wins in the first 10 whilst losing all the home games in that 10 in 2018-19, 4 clean sheets at SJP since June 2020. I was saying pre takeover that any other manager than Bruce would have us away from a relegation battle as we don't have that bad of a squad; more than happy to hold my hands up and say I was wrong. This squad is terrible. No balance, severe lack of quality and defensively inept. 

 

Should Howe be doing better? Probably. 4 of his 10 games have been against Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal to give him some slack and individual errors have been costing us; Darlow v Brentford, Clark v Norwich, the concession of that bollocks penalty at Leicester, Shelvey v Liverpool Dubravka v Cambridge, could go on. Now you could counter this by saying that Howe continues to pick those who make the errors but do we have anyone else? The midfield options are shit, the CB options are shit. 

 

What's alarming me mind is we seem to have gone backwards offensively whilst still being dross defensively. Against Brentford we were superb going forward, likewise against Burnley in the 2nd half and against Man Utd. To muster 1 shot on target at home to a Watford side who are yet to keep a clean sheet this season however is tbh, a joke. Probably needs to rethink this 4-3-3 until we can sign a midfielder and at least 1 CB. 

 

Lastly I knew that the shadow of Benitez would loom large on here. People need to move on, the ship has sailed and he has failed at his 2 jobs since leaving us, churning out those garbage results with an Everton side far better than ours. In addition to that he's ostracised Rodriguez and Digne whilst continuing to play a vastly underperforming Rondon. I'm going to reserve judgement on Howe until the end of February to see where we are in the league, how the squad looks and if we've improved. Even still, he's probably well suited to bringing us back up if we were to go down.

[DMLeazesender]

35 minutes ago, Mazzy said:

I'm not going to blame Howe for anything that happens this season. This isn't his cross to bear and I'll be disappointed if he gets much stick when we are relegated.

 

This isn't even Bruce's fault to an extent, the short terms issues of player fitness and professionalism was ofcourse his doing but they can be rectified in a matter of weeks with a new manager and coaching team.

 

This lays squarely with Ashley, everything he's done to our club will take years and years to put right and even then that's just a bare minimum. I'm staying as calm as possible with the situation we are in because I do have faith the new owners and directors will come good for us. It will take longer than we would like, but it will happen and it will be fucking glorious when it does! 

 

Totally agree with this. It's very early days in the great scheme of things. Fat Mike left a crumbling, hollow shell, no money in the world will fix the mess he left in a few weeks or months....but all things considered we are moving in the right direction, there will be hiccups along the way but NUFC and the changes are going to be massive..... far bigger than we have ever known and possibly far bigger than football has known.