Eddie Howe

[Yorkie]

3 hours ago, Ronaldo said:

There no way he’s evidenced he’s an elite coach. I love Eddie but that’s basically an absurd thing to say.

 

He has shown himself to have a lot of potential, a very fine man manager who consistently improves players and a fantastic ambassador for the club - and pretty much exactly what we needed this past 2 years. Elite is something else completely.

 

Absurd? Surely not 'absurd'. What qualifies as elite in any case? Does it just mean Pep? Cos tbh he's the only one in the league against whom a comparison would be absurd imo. Who else in the league is streets ahead of Howe?

[TheBrownBottle]

8 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

One bad season and people want the manager gone. A bad season where we finished 5th and got to a European semi final too. 

I went to most games that season, and anyone else who did wouldn’t write what you’ve written there.  Context is important - it doesn’t matter if the Ashley years proved to be awful.  Robson was finished and we could all see it - he’d lost the support of the fans, dressing room and owners.  But we should have kept him on.  Aye, alright - we were just impatient.  

[TheBrownBottle]

59 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Absurd? Surely not 'absurd'. What qualifies as elite in any case? Does it just mean Pep? Cos tbh he's the only one in the league against whom a comparison would be absurd imo. Who else in the league is streets ahead of Howe?

One who wins trophies would be a good starter for ten

[Yorkie]

37 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

One who wins trophies would be a good starter for ten

 

That qualifies Ten Hag and Moyes on the basis of last season then. 

 

It's a made up, meaningless term that for some reason is very vogue these days. Howe is clearly a fantastic manager who's among the very best in the league. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

 

That qualifies Ten Hag and Moyes on the basis of last season then. 

 

It's a made up, meaningless term that for some reason is very vogue these days. Howe is clearly a fantastic manager who's among the very best in the league. 

Yep, wouldn’t dispute that.  Howe isn’t on Guardiola or Klopp’s level, I’m not sure he’s Emery’s level tbh, but I’d say he’s the equal of Arteta etc.  He’s a better manager / coach than Ten Hag & Moyes, of course. 

[Pilko]

Not sure about the "elite" thing but I think Eddie's only major missing piece when compared to some of the names bandied about is his lack of European competition / "big table" experience and fighting on that extra front, which obviously is taking a huge step forwards this year with the experiences we're going through.

 

We've seen how he learns and strives for self-improvement, another 2 or 3 European campaigns under his belt and more experience in big games and finals etc and there's no reason why he can't be in that "elite" category, however you define it. The trophies etc will come.

 

He's definitely got the tools and the mindset to be right up there, he just hasn't been exposed to enough of the scenarios above at the top level due to a long "road less travelled" at Bournemouth. The experiences he'll have had there taking the club from its knees and big pressure games, winning promotions etc will be worth their weight in gold, now he's doing it again but just at the very top level with more money, more pressure, more exposure and against the very very best. 

[cubaricho]

Imagine thinking this last season was a one-off and liking it to Pardew’s season.  

Theres a reason that TCD is likely the most ignored user on the forum.
 

Absolute bollocks, 24/7. 

[AJ9]

Howe’s not elite until he’s done the things that other people have done with a bazillion more pounds. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Pilko said:

Not sure about the "elite" thing but I think Eddie's only major missing piece when compared to some of the names bandied about is his lack of European competition / "big table" experience and fighting on that extra front, which obviously is taking a huge step forwards this year with the experiences we're going through.

 

We've seen how he learns and strives for self-improvement, another 2 or 3 European campaigns under his belt and more experience in big games and finals etc and there's no reason why he can't be in that "elite" category, however you define it. The trophies etc will come.

 

He's definitely got the tools and the mindset to be right up there, he just hasn't been exposed to enough of the scenarios above at the top level due to a long "road less travelled" at Bournemouth. The experiences he'll have had there taking the club from its knees and big pressure games, winning promotions etc will be worth their weight in gold, now he's doing it again but just at the very top level with more money, more pressure, more exposure and against the very very best. 

Yep, this is pretty much where I am with it too.  Give Howe another European campaign and I think we’ll all see what he learned from it.  Experience makes a hell of a difference - no reason that Howe can’t have a reputation in line with the biggest names

[TheBrownBottle]

8 hours ago, The Butcher said:

Chelsea done okay with this formula over the last few decades.

Yep, they’re England’s most success club of the C21st.  There is no formula for success when it comes to twisting or sticking with managers. 

[magvicar]

9 hours ago, Ronaldo said:

There no way he’s evidenced he’s an elite coach. I love Eddie but that’s basically an absurd thing to say.

 

He has shown himself to have a lot of potential, a very fine man manager who consistently improves players and a fantastic ambassador for the club - and pretty much exactly what we needed this past 2 years. Elite is something else completely.

You're correct, he isn't elite and can't be classed as elite until he starts to really challenge regularly at the top and brings a trophy or two.

If the club allow and Eddie stays hungry then I see no reason why he can't become elite.

But...time will tell on this.

[The Prophet]

Is "elite" the new "world class"?

[relámpago blanco]

11 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Is "elite" the new "world class"?

World class was always a bollocks term.  

[RS]

 Some elite shite getting posted on here currently. 

[Chapo]

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[El Prontonise]

6 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I went to most games that season, and anyone else who did wouldn’t write what you’ve written there.  Context is important - it doesn’t matter if the Ashley years proved to be awful.  Robson was finished and we could all see it - he’d lost the support of the fans, dressing room and owners.  But we should have kept him on.  Aye, alright - we were just impatient.  

 

I'd like to add Liverpool got rid of Houllier for finishing 4th and got a certain Rafa Benitez in.....

[jackyboy]

They should have moved Bobby upstairs as a matter of respect.

 

[Theregulars]

I differ on Bobby - I hadn't lost faith and felt it was a rancid decision at the time. I don't think he lost control, I think he suffered for lack of continued investment in the team so it couldn't evolve. Similar to the strange debate currently being had on Eddie Howe, shouldn't the Marseille semi-final be given a good chunk of context? A lot of our key players were missing which wasn't the case for the other team.

 

There were players who were challenging his authority because frustration boiled over about early exit from the CL and then not being able to get back there in my view - at that point, a sensible chairman or board would have backed him and either recycled the players giving him grief or examined the situation and found another manager who would suit the playing staff. Let's be fair - did we do any better for backing Jermaine fucking Jenas and Kieron Dyer over Robson? We ended up with Souness and 2 decades of nonsense. I always thought at the time that people calling for Robson's head - and I think there were a lot, but I never thought majority of the fanbase - didn't know what they were wishing for and had short-term delusions of grandeur. Same thing happening with Howe now to some extent - he has some small flaws to work out but, to use the frame of the debate, I'd rate him as "well on the way to being elite, provided he learns from mistakes". I personally think he'll be a big name in European football for a long time.

[Theregulars]

28 minutes ago, jackyboy said:

They should have moved Bobby upstairs as a matter of respect.

 

They never should have announced he had a season left - that was the stupidest part of a stupid decision/process.

[Interpolic]

Yeah there were definitely big mistakes made at board level. They either needed to back Robson or move him upstairs, what we ended up doing was the worst way to handle it. Undermining him before a ball was kicked as you say, signing players he didn't seem to want (Butt over Carrick felt a sliding doors moment) and getting Souness in next. Really shit decision making which set us back years. 

[WideopenMag]

Worst bit was replacing him with Souness, awful appointment. 

[Yorkie]

55 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

Yeah there were definitely big mistakes made at board level. They either needed to back Robson or move him upstairs, what we ended up doing was the worst way to handle it. Undermining him before a ball was kicked as you say, signing players he didn't seem to want (Butt over Carrick felt a sliding doors moment) and getting Souness in next. Really shit decision making which set us back years. 

 

Add-in selling Speed to that incident without his say-so/knowledge. Scandalous. 

[Begbie]

1 hour ago, Theregulars said:

I differ on Bobby - I hadn't lost faith and felt it was a rancid decision at the time. I don't think he lost control, I think he suffered for lack of continued investment in the team so it couldn't evolve. Similar to the strange debate currently being had on Eddie Howe, shouldn't the Marseille semi-final be given a good chunk of context? A lot of our key players were missing which wasn't the case for the other team.

 

There were players who were challenging his authority because frustration boiled over about early exit from the CL and then not being able to get back there in my view - at that point, a sensible chairman or board would have backed him and either recycled the players giving him grief or examined the situation and found another manager who would suit the playing staff. Let's be fair - did we do any better for backing Jermaine fucking Jenas and Kieron Dyer over Robson? We ended up with Souness and 2 decades of nonsense. I always thought at the time that people calling for Robson's head - and I think there were a lot, but I never thought majority of the fanbase - didn't know what they were wishing for and had short-term delusions of grandeur. Same thing happening with Howe now to some extent - he has some small flaws to work out but, to use the frame of the debate, I'd rate him as "well on the way to being elite, provided he learns from mistakes". I personally think he'll be a big name in European football for a long time.

I agree on what you are saying. The reason I think many where calling for SBRs head was because the club had stagnated and started to move in the wrong directions. Many wanted more structure in the squad, we had fantastic offensive players and lacked good defensive players. There were also rumours of a world class Ottmar Hitzfeld comming here. 
 

Some times I wish SBR wasnt such a honorable gentleman and came out and said the board was buying the players behind his back and say what he needed. But this wasnt him, he was a much bigger man! Think the board had neglected him a few transfer windows and this made our squad unbalanced with loads of big egoes.

 

I do think if people had knew what was going on at the time that people would have backed him and called for a sacking of the board instead. Makes me really sad thinking back how bad they threated him..

 

[Miggys First Goal]

Seriously hope PIF don’t have an itchy trigger finger. 

[Krabbe2]

20 minutes ago, Miggys First Goal said:

Seriously hope PIF don’t have an itchy trigger finger. 

Saudi is known for good human rights, so I hope he survives. My only concern is whether Howe's style is sustainable year after year without a 30-man squad.