Eddie Howe

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, black_n_white said:

What’s the goal now for Howe do we reckon? Top 7 finish? Anything less might feel a little underwhelming?

I still stick by my view from the start of the season - anything less than a top half finish is failure, 7th and a cup run would be a good season

[madras]

2 hours ago, black_n_white said:

What’s the goal now for Howe do we reckon? Top 7 finish? Anything less might feel a little underwhelming?

There is no goal like that. Its just whether we feel we are  progressing  Should we finish outside the Champs league spots but look unstoppable when he have a normal amount of players out over a prolonged spell then I'm OK with that.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

He's not really like that, but not unlike a lot of other fan channel members, he talks bollocks.

 

People who post stuff like that deserve all the shit they get. What a cretin. 

[AmericanLooneyToon]

5 hours ago, TRon said:

 

You are always going to get a section of the fanbase who go hyper-critical, I'm sure it's the same in your neck of the woods as well. I actually hesitate to say anything critical about Howe on this thread because I don't want to be lumped in with them. I'm a massive fan of Howe as a manager, and I wouldn't replace him with anyone right now.

 

But does that mean I agree with every decision he's made? No. That doesn't mean I want him out, it's just my take as a fan.

That seems to be the way of the world nowadays. There seems to be no room for opinions unless they are extreme. 

 

I've been frustrated with some of Howe's decisions the past few weeks. Does that mean I would get rid of him? No chance.

 

The way he turned a relegation team that Bruce left him with into an exciting side almost instantly was the first of many reasons that he has earned the right to fight out of some rough patches. 

 

 

 

 

[Mountain]

9 hours ago, STM said:

 

I was half joking about "you lot", also I take your point about hardly anyone is asking for him to be sacked.

 

 

 

 

It's the stuff above that gets me riled up.

 

Pressing the red button at the first signs of problems.

 

 

 

 

"It's all a bit reactionary"

 

The word reactionary describes a political ideology, where people want to revert to the traditional past.

 

People just don't understand that the word "reactionary" doesn't mean anything related to reacting to anything.

 

It's like when people think "ignorant" means someone who ignores people.

 

People are cretins, including me.

 

[Astroblack]

12 hours ago, black_n_white said:

What’s the goal now for Howe do we reckon? Top 7 finish? Anything less might feel a little underwhelming?

My goal at the start of the season was top 7 and we looked and still kind of look on course for that. If we lose the next few games, I’ll take the season as a write off and just hope all the injured players can get back to full fitness and the the starting 11 lads can have a break. 
 

We’ll be in and amongst come March-April when the likes of Villa, Brighton and West Ham have European knockout games to play. 

[Nowhere Man]

8 hours ago, Mountain said:

 

"It's all a bit reactionary"

 

The word reactionary describes a political ideology, where people want to revert to the traditional past.

 

People just don't understand that the word "reactionary" doesn't mean anything related to reacting to anything.

 

It's like when people think "ignorant" means someone who ignores people.

 

People are cretins, including me.

 

You’ve had a bit of a reactionary there mind ?

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Astroblack said:

My goal at the start of the season was top 7 and we looked and still kind of look on course for that. If we lose the next few games, I’ll take the season as a write off and just hope all the injured players can get back to full fitness and the the starting 11 lads can have a break. 
 

We’ll be in and amongst come March-April when the likes of Villa, Brighton and West Ham have European knockout games to play. 

 

We're going to be lucky to get a point in the next 3 so you might as well write the season off now? 

 

Top 4/5 is gone, but we'll likely be around 7-8 behind 7th and mid-table after Villa, I'd still fancy us to be competing for Europe after that. 

[Miggys First Goal]

Even after January, there’s still 16 games to play (48 points at stake). Nobody should be writing off the season. 

[Andy]

45 minutes ago, Miggys First Goal said:

Even after January, there’s still 16 games to play (48 points at stake). Nobody should be writing off the season. 

 

It will be hard to shift the momentum though. We could be 9th tonight. If we lose the next 3, which is definitely realistic, we could be sitting 10th or 11th. It's not easy to suddenly turn that around into a good run of form. 

 

Unless we pull something out the bag from this tough run over the next month, we will definitely have our work cut out to finish top 6. 

[The Prophet]

This is a side that has shown they can go on long winning or unbeaten runs. We don't want to give ourselves too much work to do, but even if the next three are a disaster, top six is a realistic goal.

[madras]

8 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

It will be hard to shift the momentum though. We could be 9th tonight. If we lose the next 3, which is definitely realistic, we could be sitting 10th or 11th. It's not easy to suddenly turn that around into a good run of form. 

 

Unless we pull something out the bag from this tough run over the next month, we will definitely have our work cut out to finish top 6. 

Depends on the points. I'd rather be 11th and 5pts off a euro spot than 8th but 9pts off with so many games left 

[OoOGazOoO]

11 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

It will be hard to shift the momentum though. We could be 9th tonight. If we lose the next 3, which is definitely realistic, we could be sitting 10th or 11th. It's not easy to suddenly turn that around into a good run of form. 

 

Unless we pull something out the bag from this tough run over the next month, we will definitely have our work cut out to finish top 6. 

 

Agree, I'm pretty confident, unfortunately, that we will finish 6th or 7th, hopefully not any lower, but we have made it very hard for ourselves to finish top 5 in my opinion and like you say, this could become a lot worse in Jan!

[Andy]

Just now, The Prophet said:

This is a side that has shown they can go on long winning or unbeaten runs. We don't want to give ourselves too much work to do, but even if the next three are a disaster, top six is a realistic goal.

 

We've shown we're capable of doing that while riding the wave of positivity, it'll be a different task if we lose the next few though, especially the Sunderland game. There's already a big change in mood and slipping down towards mid table will solidify that in large chunks of the fanbase. 

 

People underestimate the value of mood and momentum in football. Ourselves and Villa are examples of what it can do for the better when it's going your way, Chelsea and Spurs (last season), the opposite. 

 

We're obviously capable of top six but it's definitely hanging in the balance and will be a bigger task than a lot of people think. There needs to be patience and an acceptance that it may be beyond us IMO. 

 

The best bet is probably to get a few players in during January to try and shift the mood back in our favour a bit. 

[madras]

1 minute ago, Andy said:

 

We've shown we're capable of doing that while riding the wave of positivity, it'll be a different task if we lose the next few though, especially the Sunderland game. There's already a big change in mood and slipping down towards mid table will solidify that in large chunks of the fanbase. 

 

People underestimate the value of mood and momentum in football. Ourselves and Villa are examples of what it can do for the better when it's going your way, Chelsea and Spurs (last season), the opposite. 

 

We're obviously capable of top six but it's definitely hanging in the balance and will be a bigger task than a lot of people think. There needs to be patience and an acceptance that it may be beyond us IMO. 

 

The best bet is probably to get a few players in during January to try and shift the mood back in our favour a bit. 

I think the mood changes as soon as players come back. Everybody knows the reason for the poor form. Just hope those who come back end of Jan can get back that bit earlier, to get up to speed, in the two week break

[Kid Icarus]

11 hours ago, Mountain said:

 

"It's all a bit reactionary"

 

The word reactionary describes a political ideology, where people want to revert to the traditional past.

 

People just don't understand that the word "reactionary" doesn't mean anything related to reacting to anything.

 

It's like when people think "ignorant" means someone who ignores people.

 

People are cretins, including me.

 

Now look up how language evolves

[Whitley mag]

We all need to relax in the grand scheme of things mid table obscurity would have been a cause for celebration not long back.

 

If we have to take a step back for one season, before we push on again so be it.

 

I can’t really get to excited about it, the stress of a relegation battle far outweighs any disappointment at not being in the top 6.

 

Sure the last 2 games have pissed me off especially, and losing to Sunderland would probably turn me irrationally against Howe and the team for a week, but then I’d calm down and accept this club is only heading one way, and that’s to the very top eventually under this ownership.

 

[The College Dropout]

On 26/12/2023 at 17:15, Ikon said:

I think so too. That’s why I wasn’t fond of the Barnes signing with Gordon here already. Especially when the RW hasn’t been sorted out which should have been the prior for me over another leftie. 

People can deny it. But Barnes LW & Gordon RW is suboptimal. It doesn't make a lot of sense considering what we have on the right more naturally.

[The Prophet]

26 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

We've shown we're capable of doing that while riding the wave of positivity, it'll be a different task if we lose the next few though, especially the Sunderland game. There's already a big change in mood and slipping down towards mid table will solidify that in large chunks of the fanbase. 

 

People underestimate the value of mood and momentum in football. Ourselves and Villa are examples of what it can do for the better when it's going your way, Chelsea and Spurs (last season), the opposite. 

 

We're obviously capable of top six but it's definitely hanging in the balance and will be a bigger task than a lot of people think. There needs to be patience and an acceptance that it may be beyond us IMO. 

 

The best bet is probably to get a few players in during January to try and shift the mood back in our favour a bit. 

 

All fair points. We have picked ourselves up from poor runs before, but this would be the worst on paper.

[Ikon]

7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

People can deny it. But Barnes LW & Gordon RW is suboptimal. It doesn't make a lot of sense considering what we have on the right more naturally.

Even if they “can” play there it would make us too predictable. Just with better quality than now. Not that much better in possession though. 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by Ikon

[Gallowgate Toon]

Having Gordon in the spots that Almiron picks up when entering the box would be fantastic. Miggy finds himself in byline areas a lot but refuses to play cut backs.

 

We've seen Jacob Murphy look pretty good at RW so there's no doubt in my mind that Gordon couldn't be very effective there. 

 

He also had a very decent left peg to mix things up.

 

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by Gallowgate Toon

[duo]

34 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

We've shown we're capable of doing that while riding the wave of positivity, it'll be a different task if we lose the next few though, especially the Sunderland game. There's already a big change in mood and slipping down towards mid table will solidify that in large chunks of the fanbase. 

 

People underestimate the value of mood and momentum in football. Ourselves and Villa are examples of what it can do for the better when it's going your way, Chelsea and Spurs (last season), the opposite. 

 

We're obviously capable of top six but it's definitely hanging in the balance and will be a bigger task than a lot of people think. There needs to be patience and an acceptance that it may be beyond us IMO. 

 

The best bet is probably to get a few players in during January to try and shift the mood back in our favour a bit. 

Jan is the key for me. The squad desperately needs freshening up, and more quality added to turn this around. Much like we did in Jan when they took over the club.

[lovejoy]

16 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

People can deny it. But Barnes LW & Gordon RW is suboptimal. It doesn't make a lot of sense considering what we have on the right more naturally.

you thought Gordon was suboptimal full stop, tbf.

[The College Dropout]

5 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

you thought Gordon was suboptimal full stop, tbf.

I did and I was wrong. He has quality and will get goals. He's not creative or good 1v1. He has a similar profile to Barnes and is the same footed. Moving him to RW limits his goal threat due to the angle of shooting opportunities and less supply coming from the left.

 

11 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Having Gordon in the spots that Almiron picks up when entering the box would be fantastic. Miggy finds himself in byline areas a lot but refuses to play cut backs.

 

We've seen Jacob Murphy look pretty good at RW so there's no doubt in my mind that Gordon couldn't be very effective there. 

 

He also had a very decent left peg to mix things up.

 

 

 

That's not Gordon's game. Sure he could do it but you want him to get into goalscoring opportunities and to shoot. Going wide and crossing/cutting back to switch things up. 

 

Murphy is more of a traditional winger. SO being on the RW suits him. That's not Gordon or Barnes.

 

A left footer, ideally a creative one is what we need at RW. Keeps the teams balance.

[WillDanceForChocolate]

That's a horrendous run you've been on. All I'll say is what I've said before which is Howe can be a streaky manager at times. His teams seem to put together these runs of terrible results when nothing goes right but then it suddenly clicks and they rattle off ten wins in eleven, or something similar. If the owners have patience, I think you'll see something similar and, with no European football to worry about, I expect a charge toward the Champions League places. Whether you reach them or not I couldn't say for certain, but I'd be surprised if you didn't.

 

On the Howe front, once this period is over he needs to take control of this situation and solve it. You can afford to have these on and off runs when you're building a club up but pretty soon the expectation will be titles for you and this will be his downfall if he can't finally crack it. I hope he can. It is a strange phenomenon though.

 

For those that missed it last season: https://newcastle-online.org/topic/36984-eddie-howe/page/898/#comment-7478998 It's all going to work out!

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2023 by WillDanceForChocolate