The College Dropout Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 16 hours ago, Erikse said: Just saw the interview Howe did on talksport. He said: "I allways believe in time you'll get the results that you crave if you keep being consistent with what you do." What we are doing works really well when we have the energy levels to do it, plus a bench. What if we are back in Europe and/or get another injury crisis? Our players will go through fatigue (and injury problems) again in future seasons. Agreed. I'm not seeing Howe evolve his thinking or his approach. Injuries to Tino, Schar, Joelinton, Lascelles, Willock, Isak & Wilson can partly be attributed to overplaying or being rushed back to soon. Burn, Isak, Joelinton & Gordon have either played looking very unfit and/or carrying a knock. He's got to adapt his approach to load management and playing players' with knocks going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 You'd imagine he won't have an injury crisis like this anytime in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Well if we keep doing things the same way we have been, and, and it's a big and, we are in Europe again next year, it would be reasonable to assume we may have injury problems again. To put it all down to luck and hope it won't happen again would be slightly ridiculous at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 You'd think he played the same 11 every game and never subbed by the way people go on in here. Villa - 5 subs https://www.nufc.com/2023-24html/2023-08-12aston-villa-h.html Man City - 5 subs https://www.nufc.com/2023-24html/2023-08-19man-city-a.html Liverpool - 5 subs https://www.nufc.com/2023-24html/2023-08-27liverpool-h.html Brighton - 5 subs https://www.nufc.com/2023-24html/2023-09-02brighton-a.html Brentford - Only 1 with Isak and Tonali notable non-starters ready for... https://www.nufc.com/2023-24html/2023-09-16brentford-h.html AC Milan - 4 subs https://www.nufc.com/2023-24html/2023-09-19ac-milan-a.html I mean I could go on. There was clearly an effort to rotate but we have to remember he doesn't really have the squad for it. Our best starting 11 on its day can give anyone a game but there's a big drop off in quality after that. So he's trying to keep players fit whilst trying to compete as a top 4 team and our squad simply isn't one of a top 4 team. Add to that the freak injuries/suspensions and I dare while say there's some lessons to be learned speculation around "he should have done this", "he should of done that" given the shit hand he was dealt is to miss the point. If people think we should have been playing Ritchie and the like then we're at the level of argument of who was worse out of Bruce and Pardew. Such are the fine margins the game operates at: no penalty against PSG and we're potentially still in Europe. No freak mistake from Trippier and we're still in the League Cup. To have got that close with what he's had available for the last few months is pretty good going in my book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 13 minutes ago, Cf said: You'd think he played the same 11 every game and never subbed by the way people go on in here. Villa - 5 subs https://www.nufc.com/2023-24html/2023-08-12aston-villa-h.html Man City - 5 subs https://www.nufc.com/2023-24html/2023-08-19man-city-a.html Liverpool - 5 subs https://www.nufc.com/2023-24html/2023-08-27liverpool-h.html Brighton - 5 subs https://www.nufc.com/2023-24html/2023-09-02brighton-a.html Brentford - Only 1 with Isak and Tonali notable non-starters ready for... https://www.nufc.com/2023-24html/2023-09-16brentford-h.html AC Milan - 4 subs https://www.nufc.com/2023-24html/2023-09-19ac-milan-a.html I mean I could go on. There was clearly an effort to rotate but we have to remember he doesn't really have the squad for it. Our best starting 11 on its day can give anyone a game but there's a big drop off in quality after that. So he's trying to keep players fit whilst trying to compete as a top 4 team and our squad simply isn't one of a top 4 team. Add to that the freak injuries/suspensions and I dare while say there's some lessons to be learned speculation around "he should have done this", "he should of done that" given the shit hand he was dealt is to miss the point. If people think we should have been playing Ritchie and the like then we're at the level of argument of who was worse out of Bruce and Pardew. Such are the fine margins the game operates at: no penalty against PSG and we're potentially still in Europe. No freak mistake from Trippier and we're still in the League Cup. To have got that close with what he's had available for the last few months is pretty good going in my book. No argument with most of that, but if we have the likes of Ritchie and Alex Murphy on the bench who we aren't prepared to use, then the bench is worthless anyway. Ritchie shouldn't be using up a squad space if he's not good enough to come on when we are down to our bare bones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, TRon said: No argument with most of that, but if we have the likes of Ritchie and Alex Murphy on the bench who we aren't prepared to use, then the bench is worthless anyway. Ritchie shouldn't be using up a squad space if he's not good enough to come on when we are down to our bare bones. Well of course he shouldn't be but we have 10 years of Ashley that doesn't get undone overnight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) If and when we're back in Europe the squad will be better, with more quality. The talk is if we'll go with the same players. It's a slow build, FFP has seen to that. I know it's a big ask for some, but patience is needed. Imo there are zero alarms bells ringing, everything in front of us has it reasons, injuries, cheated out of Europe imo. And tbf, Eddie has shown some inexperience, which I'm certain he'll learn from once the squad is back together. On that, last season he swapped around the midfield and striker's to great effect, funnily enough we didn't have a whole 11 missing then. Edited January 16 by Bimpy474 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) 51 minutes ago, The Prophet said: You'd imagine he won't have an injury crisis like this anytime in the future. No, not as bad, but several clubs have had around 10 injuries at the same time this season. It's like a new trend in the PL. I'd assume that the new stoppage time rules causes more injuries and fatigue. We should have a stronger bench in future seasons though, I agree with that. At the same time having around 10 injuries will allways put more strain on the remaining players, especially with a game every 3 days, while also having an intense playstyle. Edited January 16 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, Cf said: Well of course he shouldn't be but we have 10 years of Ashley that doesn't get undone overnight Don't waste logic on them man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I don't know why the club don't just employ some of the experts off here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 5 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: I don't know why the club don't just employ some of the experts off here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: I don't know why the club don't just employ some of the experts off here. Yeah, it's not like any fans has ever been right about criticizing a manager on a part of his game, despite not being experts. Right? Edited January 16 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: Agreed. I'm not seeing Howe evolve his thinking or his approach. Injuries to Tino, Schar, Joelinton, Lascelles, Willock, Isak & Wilson can partly be attributed to overplaying or being rushed back to soon. Burn, Isak, Joelinton & Gordon have either played looking very unfit and/or carrying a knock. He's got to adapt his approach to load management and playing players' with knocks going forward. Tino is hurt? He was sick last week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Can please stop this Howe out chat and reassess in the summer and can we absolutely stop this Mourinho in shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 5 minutes ago, Kanji said: Tino is hurt? He was sick last week. Not the recent one. There was a game where he was on the bench due to a slight muscle injury caused by overload. Maybe Chelsea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, Ben said: Can please stop this Howe out chat and reassess in the summer and can we absolutely stop this Mourinho in shit. What? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 14 minutes ago, Ben said: Can please stop this Howe out chat and reassess in the summer and can we absolutely stop this Mourinho in shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 51 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: What? Howe - Good Mourinho - Bad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Mou rumours have been rumbling for months .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 13 minutes ago, La Parka said: Mou rumours have been rumbling for months .. They started all the way back in 2019 when the first rumors of Saudi ownership emerged. Been on and off ever since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 3 hours ago, The College Dropout said: What? Dr Jinx and someone else suggested such madness. Possibly just a wind up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Appointing Mourinho would be the same sort of star-fucking mistake that saw us appoint Gerrard, and Blues appoint Rooney. It would be absolutely idiotic to think that someone like him is more the man for this moment than Howe, and - to be honest - most managers already working in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 4 hours ago, Erikse said: Yeah, it's not like any fans has ever been right about criticizing a manager on a part of his game, despite not being experts. Right? You need UEFA qualifications before you can criticise something you are not happy about pal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) 11 hours ago, brummie said: Appointing Mourinho would be the same sort of star-fucking mistake that saw us appoint Gerrard, and Blues appoint Rooney. It would be absolutely idiotic to think that someone like him is more the man for this moment than Howe, and - to be honest - most managers already working in the PL. Not quite the same in that Mourinho has an actual record at the highest level (however long ago) but aye, agree with the mistake point. I love the bloke to bits but I don't know that I'd want him managing my club the way football is in 2024. Edited January 17 by OpenC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Would love to see Mou back in the prem - not with us though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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