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1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:


Think you also factor in the fact that NUFC didn’t seemingly have a fully staffed recruitment department that could do what the likes of Brighton do.
 

And we can’t afford to miss with transfers (although looks like we have) so known quantities seem like a better bet. 

Even if we had a fully staffed recruitment department like Brighton (and presumably Brentford, Bournemouth and even the fucking mackems last summer) do you genuinely believe Howe would have signed seemingly obscure and unheard of players from outside PL? Or even relatively known non PL players? I dont think so, his first choices always seem to be PL players. Only when they are not landed do we go to non PL.

 

If the rumours are true in summer 2024 Howe told Mitchell it was Guehi or nobody for CB. Even though we were apparently offered Thiaw that summer for less than we just paid this summer. 

 

 

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34 minutes ago, alexf said:

I don't believe any of our signings in the summer were our first choices.

 

It felt like we were down to 4th/5th choice every time when it came to signings.

 

There was enough media noise over the last few windows to make you believe that we wanted people like Cunha, Mbeumo, Kudus, Ekitike, Gueye, Trafford, etc etc. ahead of the players we eventually got in. 

 

There was a desperation about our transfer business. Brought about by the handling of the Isak shit show and the fact that teams were able to exaggerated their asking prices because they knew we were about to come in to money and were also desperate. Not to mention the classic "top 6"  seemed to hoover up all the best talent and we were left with whatever scraps were left. 

 

Not deflecting any blame from current performances not being good enough  and in-game management could do with a big improvement. But there is no doubt the team went backwards in terms of recruitment and we always seem to struggle when Howe doesn't have time on the training ground like we did in the last season we were in CL.

I keep saying this, for all it looks as though we wasted a big chunk of money we genuinely did try and sign elite players but they all went elsewhere for bigger wages.  Other than spend nothing which would have left our fan base in hysterics I am not really sure what else we could have done.

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3 hours ago, Heron said:

If you take a top class player out of any side it will be less effective especially if you're team is built to play to said individuals strengths. It doesn't make them a bad side all of a sudden just because said player is removed. The team has to adapt and thus far hasn't had opportunity to do so because we signed 2 strikers 6 or 7 games into the season and since then have has only one or two opportunities to do any significant amount of training owing to fixture congestion.

 

It's entirely unfair on Howe and the everyone at the club to suggest the only reason we won owt was because of Isak.

 

 

 

Sometimes an individual can make a team greater than the sum total of their parts. One example being Maradona at the 86 World Cup, Argentina were nowt special and without him would not have won it.

 

No manager gets weeks on the training ground these days to adapt due to internationals and glamour friendlies.

 

By all accounts in the media Isak was never playing for us again after the end of last season. We could never replace Isak and if Howe did know he was probably going, he should have made sure we signed technical players instead of Elanga and Ramsey to make up for the loss of brilliance/unpredictability he gave us around the oppositions penalty area.


He doesn’t currently have an answer within the current squad due to our lack of creativity in the final third and he must take a large part of the blame for this due to his signings in the summer.


 

 

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14 hours ago, Ronaldo said:

All I’d say regarding timing is I have significant reservations about him being in charge of spending money. We’re crying out for a different type of player.

not many times you'll £100m plus on a single sale.

that really needs a serious plan as to how to spend.

even if its your best player thats going, it gives you a massive chance to kick on with the squad without fear of PSR.

we royally fucked it up, mainly due to having no decent DoF in place and leaving it to the manager.

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9 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

I keep saying this, for all it looks as though we wasted a big chunk of money we genuinely did try and sign elite players but they all went elsewhere for bigger wages.  Other than spend nothing which would have left our fan base in hysterics I am not really sure what else we could have done.

I mean there must be something between elite players and spending £100m on Elanga & Ramsey?

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14 hours ago, oldtype said:


We’d probably lose Tino or Hall or Tonali or maybe two, or maybe all three. But we’d take that money, reinvest, and keep on ticking. That’s how every team in Europe other than a handful operates.

unfortunately we arent very good at this.

elanga and ramsey?

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13 hours ago, Heron said:

This is my criticism of Howe. I don't think he sees that. I think he sees Gordon as equal threat doing that as what Barnes is.

 

That is consistent with my criticisms of Howe too. I love him and I feel his wingers are letting him down but he is also not picking the best combination of wingers which for me is Barnes and Murphy. 

he's got 4 wingers, 3 of which he bought.

not a single left footer amongst them.

 

 

 

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I find it a struggle to put any criticism at Howe's door at the moment. 

 

First, you look at the achievements. Our first domestic trophy in 70 years, Champions League qualification in two out of the past three seasons, another cup final and a top 7 finish in the only other full non-CL qualification season. That's a hell of a record. And this year, he's got us into (at least) another League Cup semi-final. I don't think we could dream for much more than that.

 

Then you look at this season. Have we been consistently bad? No. Have we been regularly inconsistent? Yes. Some great performances and some bad performances. But I think if you look at the overall picture we're much better than our points tally. We've had some bad performances where frankly we could have very easily earned a point (West Ham & Sunderland - neither side deserved to beat us and both games decided by fluke own goals), inconsistent performances where we could have got more (Man U and Chelsea) and good performances where we could have picked up more points (Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal). We've had issues but we've also had terrible luck. The tragedy is that we're probably drifting away from CL qualification now, but if just a few of those had gone our way we'd be right in the mixer.

 

Then you look at why we've had issues this season. The number one reason is the attack isn't functioning as well as it has been. That is very, very clearly down to us losing one of the best strikers in the world and ultimately having to scramble to replace him. The scramble to replace left us with two players who are very different to Isak and that's left Howe trying to figure out how to make us as effective as possible with one player in particular (Woltemade) who is a very different focal point of the attack. Is it in any way strange that this is taking time? No. It was always going to and ultimately it's down to the constraints on the club, not Howe. And by constraints on the club, I mean specifically that we weren't able to line up an Isak successor or second striker a season or two before because of financial restrictions.

 

Which brings us on nicely to another issue this season, which is perceived lack of contribution of new signings. We all know that Howe has the potential to work wonders on players but that tends to take 6-18 months. Our new signings were always going to take time to bed in to Howe's system, especially when we continue to not be able to shop for truly elite players - Elanga, Ramsey, Thiaw and Woltemade all fit into the 'rough diamonds we are trying to polish up into elite players' category. The problem rests on the fact that we made no first-team signings in the 24/25 season, which means we have nobody really emerging this year to pick up some of the slack from the new group - all the expectation to deliver is on that new group right away. I firmly believe we'll look back in a year and all of the five signings will be viewed much more favourably than they are today. 

 

So to sum up, it's frustrating where we are this season but ultimately I have every confidence Howe will lead us through it and that we'll continue to benefit from his excellent work. 

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48 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

I keep saying this, for all it looks as though we wasted a big chunk of money we genuinely did try and sign elite players but they all went elsewhere for bigger wages.  Other than spend nothing which would have left our fan base in hysterics I am not really sure what else we could have done.

Some scouting? Thiaw walks off the Milan bench and becomes our best player. Most people could see the business we’d done previously on the continent and were perplexed that we were chasing overpriced PL players. 

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I do think that teams have figured out exactly how to set up against us to limit us to low percentage chances. It’s on Howe to figure out how to sort that out. Personally, I think it would be solved by Wolte and Wissa playing together and a new RW signing in January, with Barnes playing at LW. Im also sure that all of the above will not happen 

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29 minutes ago, stozo said:

I find it a struggle to put any criticism at Howe's door at the moment. 

 

First, you look at the achievements. Our first domestic trophy in 70 years, Champions League qualification in two out of the past three seasons, another cup final and a top 7 finish in the only other full non-CL qualification season. That's a hell of a record. And this year, he's got us into (at least) another League Cup semi-final. I don't think we could dream for much more than that.

 

Then you look at this season. Have we been consistently bad? No. Have we been regularly inconsistent? Yes. Some great performances and some bad performances. But I think if you look at the overall picture we're much better than our points tally. We've had some bad performances where frankly we could have very easily earned a point (West Ham & Sunderland - neither side deserved to beat us and both games decided by fluke own goals), inconsistent performances where we could have got more (Man U and Chelsea) and good performances where we could have picked up more points (Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal). We've had issues but we've also had terrible luck. The tragedy is that we're probably drifting away from CL qualification now, but if just a few of those had gone our way we'd be right in the mixer.

 

Then you look at why we've had issues this season. The number one reason is the attack isn't functioning as well as it has been. That is very, very clearly down to us losing one of the best strikers in the world and ultimately having to scramble to replace him. The scramble to replace left us with two players who are very different to Isak and that's left Howe trying to figure out how to make us as effective as possible with one player in particular (Woltemade) who is a very different focal point of the attack. Is it in any way strange that this is taking time? No. It was always going to and ultimately it's down to the constraints on the club, not Howe. And by constraints on the club, I mean specifically that we weren't able to line up an Isak successor or second striker a season or two before because of financial restrictions.

 

Which brings us on nicely to another issue this season, which is perceived lack of contribution of new signings. We all know that Howe has the potential to work wonders on players but that tends to take 6-18 months. Our new signings were always going to take time to bed in to Howe's system, especially when we continue to not be able to shop for truly elite players - Elanga, Ramsey, Thiaw and Woltemade all fit into the 'rough diamonds we are trying to polish up into elite players' category. The problem rests on the fact that we made no first-team signings in the 24/25 season, which means we have nobody really emerging this year to pick up some of the slack from the new group - all the expectation to deliver is on that new group right away. I firmly believe we'll look back in a year and all of the five signings will be viewed much more favourably than they are today. 

 

So to sum up, it's frustrating where we are this season but ultimately I have every confidence Howe will lead us through it and that we'll continue to benefit from his excellent work. 

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1 hour ago, Doctor Zaius said:

 

We tried to sign forwards all summer that aren't pressing machines. Sesko, Woltemade, Strand Larsen, Ramos. Ekitike is hardly Bellamy when it comes to pressing either. 

 

Our wingers are deeper and our full backs higher too. I think it's been a conscious decision to make us less of a counter pressing, intense team. Howe probably seen how we fell off last time we were in the CL and has tried to alter our style and I don't think it's worked. 

We went for Delap and Pedro first and they can press. Isak wasn’t known for pressing either and he wasn’t great at it but he was effective. 

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31 minutes ago, stozo said:

I find it a struggle to put any criticism at Howe's door at the moment. 

 

First, you look at the achievements. Our first domestic trophy in 70 years, Champions League qualification in two out of the past three seasons, another cup final and a top 7 finish in the only other full non-CL qualification season. That's a hell of a record. And this year, he's got us into (at least) another League Cup semi-final. I don't think we could dream for much more than that.

 

Then you look at this season. Have we been consistently bad? No. Have we been regularly inconsistent? Yes. Some great performances and some bad performances. But I think if you look at the overall picture we're much better than our points tally. We've had some bad performances where frankly we could have very easily earned a point (West Ham & Sunderland - neither side deserved to beat us and both games decided by fluke own goals), inconsistent performances where we could have got more (Man U and Chelsea) and good performances where we could have picked up more points (Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal). We've had issues but we've also had terrible luck. The tragedy is that we're probably drifting away from CL qualification now, but if just a few of those had gone our way we'd be right in the mixer.

 

Then you look at why we've had issues this season. The number one reason is the attack isn't functioning as well as it has been. That is very, very clearly down to us losing one of the best strikers in the world and ultimately having to scramble to replace him. The scramble to replace left us with two players who are very different to Isak and that's left Howe trying to figure out how to make us as effective as possible with one player in particular (Woltemade) who is a very different focal point of the attack. Is it in any way strange that this is taking time? No. It was always going to and ultimately it's down to the constraints on the club, not Howe. And by constraints on the club, I mean specifically that we weren't able to line up an Isak successor or second striker a season or two before because of financial restrictions.

 

Which brings us on nicely to another issue this season, which is perceived lack of contribution of new signings. We all know that Howe has the potential to work wonders on players but that tends to take 6-18 months. Our new signings were always going to take time to bed in to Howe's system, especially when we continue to not be able to shop for truly elite players - Elanga, Ramsey, Thiaw and Woltemade all fit into the 'rough diamonds we are trying to polish up into elite players' category. The problem rests on the fact that we made no first-team signings in the 24/25 season, which means we have nobody really emerging this year to pick up some of the slack from the new group - all the expectation to deliver is on that new group right away. I firmly believe we'll look back in a year and all of the five signings will be viewed much more favourably than they are today. 

 

So to sum up, it's frustrating where we are this season but ultimately I have every confidence Howe will lead us through it and that we'll continue to benefit from his excellent work. 

When have we had any great performances?

 

Other teams who we have lost too have been in the same boat or worse. Brentford lost their 2 best players and manager, West Ham had a new manager and our cast off striker up top. Leeds we settled for a draw and they were missing key players, Man U missing their best players then even parked the bus with kids and we couldn’t break them down.

 

Sunderland we didn’t even show up.

 

Villa they had 10 men were shocking at the start of the season, lost key players and we couldn’t put them away.

 

Games we won, Burnley, Wolves, Fulham, we scraped by.

 

Spurs missing half their team and we couldn’t put them away.

 

We have consistently underperformed this season

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19 minutes ago, gbandit said:

I do think that teams have figured out exactly how to set up against us to limit us to low percentage chances. It’s on Howe to figure out how to sort that out. Personally, I think it would be solved by Wolte and Wissa playing together and a new RW signing in January, with Barnes playing at LW. Im also sure that all of the above will not happen 


He’s going to have to figure it out because if he doesn’t he’ll probably be moved on next summer. 

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2 hours ago, Cf said:

 

https://www.football365.com/premier-league/table/table-between-two-dates

 

Put the start date as 16th March (the cup final everyone says we've been shit since). 

 

6th in the form table. 1 point behind Liverpool. Maybe not quite where we want to be but it's not bad by any means. 


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That says how poor Liverpool have been. Once others have played 28, are we much better than mid table? Eye test on pitch says no, and it’s backed up by that table.

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32 minutes ago, gbandit said:

I do think that teams have figured out exactly how to set up against us to limit us to low percentage chances. It’s on Howe to figure out how to sort that out. Personally, I think it would be solved by Wolte and Wissa playing together and a new RW signing in January, with Barnes playing at LW. Im also sure that all of the above will not happen 


Sometimes I think it’s more that poor teams have to set up in a low block rather than they do it against us specifically. Man Utd are just crap and got an unexpected lead. It that was us we would be hammering Howe for sitting back on a single goal. It’s just how football works sometimes. 

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