Colos Short and Curlies Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, JT24 said: I want him sacked for ending Toon in Training. Always comes down to tits in the end Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, Colos Short and Curlies said: Sorry message didn't quite follow the brain thought - needed to add that the comparison is fair if Villa struggle again next year as it would show that UE also doesn't learn quickly how to adapt to the 2 competitions Or just that it's extremely difficult in both our club's positions. I rate Emery, that's the thing, I just find it baffling that there are people who rate Emery but not Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 It’ll be a tennis match in this thread today For me, set-up was fine, first 30 mins really good, rest of the match was poor and our performance got worse as the match went on. Howe’s job shouldn’t be in doubt, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have similar criticisms to other matches re game management and performance (particularly our constant post-HT drop-offs). It was Liverpool away, too - hardly a shoo-in, even if they haven’t been great this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checko Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) I get that we've just lost, but we've lost away to the league champions who have almost twice our budget, after playing the european champions away midweek. We probably deserved to be at least level at the break. Second half wasn't great for sure (though might have been different if we hadn't been behind), but again, we're playing one of the best teams in the world. 4-1 flattered them, though i'll say they deserved to win overall, but again ... away. League Champions. Twice our budget. There are definitely some issues with our team: lacking in guile in the final third and struggle to pass out from the back under any pressure. But give Eddie a break, this isn't Fifa or Football Manager, You can't save scum. Sometime shit happens and we're still in every fucking competiton in the end of January. Edited January 31 by Checko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, Vinny Green Balls said: he has done things differently form time to time. PSG is a recent example. Arsenal last year, etc. For 99% of his time here he has played 4-3-3 and made subs on the 70 minute mark. He says ‘we have lots of different ways of playing’. Can anyone identify or name them? On the rare occasion he strays from his norms, we often see what looks like progress and the he reverts to type. He is what he is as a manager, and that has largely been great up until now but we look predictable, devoid of identity and limited tactically. I sincerely hope he can break his own mould and evolve but sadly, I don’t see it happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Some very obvious 'mask slip' stuff going on with agendas in here imo. Absolutely none of tonight is on Howe like. The setup was working and individual errors killed us in a match we never win. Subs? Maybe, but then they came on and we were worse. Frustrating as hell. How can anyone not see the progress.. we would fall backwards quickly without Howe. Outplayed Liverpool for a good portion of that game and looked comfortable. Like you said individual errors and nativity cost us the game. Live and learn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, Kid Icarus said: Or just that it's extremely difficult in both our club's positions. I rate Emery, that's the thing, I just find it baffling that there are people who rate Emery but not Howe. they'd surely be the Villa fans who were calling for his head if the positions were swapped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Don't think he can do much about a lack of quality other than make sure we don't spend money on players who don't belong on the big stage. I think that's the mistake we made this summer. Some of that is on him though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 PSG was only on Wednesday. We play a hybrid 343 often Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said: The Howe defend-at-all-cost members out in full force I see. What do you perceive the ‘costs’ to be? Is it multiple CL qualifications, finals, semi-finals, and our first domestic trophy in 70 years? Edited January 31 by Dr Venkman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I love you Eddie, but please for the love of god, make subs when we are very obviously under the cosh and not after we have conceded and the heads drop! It's such a common pattern it almost feels deliberate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I'm as frustrated with our league season as anyone and the poorness of many of our away results, combined with a sinking feeling about our transfer business, but 6 pages of discourse 25 minutes after the game today finished, contrasted with a page or so after the brilliant battling performance mid-week suggests it's more than just venting to me. It's a "can't wait to get in there and blast him for every little thing" honestly. I get it to a point, we're all a bit aggravated, but most of tonight was on individual mistakes, as shitty as it is to lose to that lot yet again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Vinny Green Balls said: well played on having a mate. It’s like you can’t make a point without having people have a go at you on here I haven’t had a go at anyone here - I respectfully read posts and never make things personal I have given a number of reasons why I think we need to move on from Howe - that’s my own personal view - doesn’t mean I am right - it’s what I think based on 6 months of the season after a big summer outlay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 They're on a poor run of form we started really well deservedly took the lead then let them back into it and we stopped doing what we had success with after that. second half after ten minutes we just let the game runaway from us, should of used subs a lot earlier Willock was knackered tripps was poor and it needed a striker put on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 24 minutes ago, Holmesy said: He will never get us anywhere near a European final because he can’t manage two major competitions simultaneously, and the PL will always be the priority. And he’s spent a hell of a lot of money. Never won a major trophy at Bournemouth either if I remember correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) I think you can lay the subs onwards on Eddie but that’s about it. Nothing wrong with the approach at all, which worked very well until we scored. The players just absolutely lose their minds once they go in front this season for some reason. I think that’s why it’s been so frustrating this season - you can see what we’re supposed to be doing most of the time and then the players just crumble under pressure. We really miss Schar and Joelinton imo. These are the guys with the mentality we need. Edited January 31 by Smal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Or just that it's extremely difficult in both our club's positions. I rate Emery, that's the thing, I just find it baffling that there are people who rate Emery but not Howe. I think it's possible to have consistency in the league in both our positions whilst still accepting a drop off. Leeds away, Sunderland away, West Ham away (I can go on). Those performances can't be put down to the Champions league and they are the difference to entering the final stretch competing for top 6 and looking at mid table. Anyone expecting progress in league position in our first couple of cl seasons is mental, but we also shouldn't expect such a drop in consistency Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Holmesy said: For 99% of his time here he has played 4-3-3 and made subs on the 70 minute mark. He says ‘we have lots of different ways of playing’. Can anyone identify or name them? On the rare occasion he strays from his norms, we often see what looks like progress and the he reverts to type. He is what he is as a manager, and that has largely been great up until now but we look predictable, devoid of identity and limited tactically. I sincerely hope he can break his own mould and evolve but sadly, I don’t see it happening. funny thing is what I noticed with him that little tweaks are made, but only become noticable after a time when we suddenly click and look unbeatable for a time. In 2021, people were saying that we looked worse than under Bruce, then suddenly we were extremely difficult to beat. In 2022-23, we looked like we were falling off the cliff befor ehte Cup Final, and suddenly we looked like a bull in a china shop for the remainder of the season. In 23-24, we were the most atrocious I've seen us bar this season in December, then suddnely looked like a different side going into the final stretch. Last year, we were hopeless in November and early December, and then looked like world beaters for awhile (that one was more obvious because of the Tonali switch). We've been mediocre for large stretches this year, but almost everyone has. And we're still in most of the competitions (although the Carabao is a nearly impossible tall order). It's a really weird season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keggy_Keagal Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 The recruitment has been poor and we've paid the price for it. We were very much in the game for large parts with a midfield consisting of two reserve midfielders and an out of form Tonali. Liverpool had their strongest available midfield. Howe's got flaws and blind spots as has every manager and as I said pregame he can drive me crackers at times but we've just gone and been unlucky not to win against PSG and then for half an hour played as well as I've ever seen us us play at Anfield. What Howe says and what he does are two quite different things. I don't see another manager currently out there that can do a better job with this squad of players , or with the way the club is restricted in the transfer market and with our current wage budget. We have to work smarter in that area and perhaps be braver when it comes to selling. We're paying the price for inexperienced ownership and lack of infrastructure. That should have been settled long ago, and the right network around Eddie to build the club properly. Our core strength as a squad is essentially based on three very good windows Jan 22 , Summer 22 and Summer 23. We need another window like one of those with a partial rebuild, although I'm not sure I trust those who've been in charge of recruitment since then to do the job properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, Mikky said: It’s like you can’t make a point without having people have a go at you on here I haven’t had a go at anyone here - I respectfully read posts and never make things personal I have given a number of reasons why I think we need to move on from Howe - that’s my own personal view - doesn’t mean I am right - it’s what I think based on 6 months of the season after a big summer outlay nah i didn't need to say that at all. I honestly wasn't serious. But apologies for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Missed Bruno and Joelinton tonight. Will we ever win a game without Bruno? We are close to a one-man team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, Pata said: Never won a major trophy at Bournemouth either if I remember correctly. No, but he did great with them - had them punching above their weight. But PL is currently his level. His management style is suited to a PL campaign, and he’s good at it, but more than that and weaknesses are exposed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 once again, he's young and new to these competitions. We seriously don't have enough data points to know if it's beyond his level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny36 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I think Eddie will be gone in the Summer..We are crying out for new signings. I think the board are holding back in giving him anymore money to spend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, sempuki said: Missed Bruno and Joelinton tonight. Will we ever win a game without Bruno? We are close to a one-man team. No close about it, the record without him speaks for itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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