TheBrownBottle Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, Armchair Pundit said: I think half the problem is that in the first couple of seasons we had some momentum, new players, all in it together, unexpectedly into the Champs league which also increased some of who we could bring in... then the project stalled. A couple of the well liked ownership left, dickheads like Mitchell and Stapleton came in and the investment into building the club went quiet. We now find ourselves struggling, with a slightly disillusion squad, up against a hard fixture list from previously punching above our current weight. Is that Eddie's fault, no, I don't think it is - some occasional sub/tactic choice have been questionable, but also some have been forced, I think we'd massively regret losing Eddie if they sacked him. Funnily enough I think the ownership’s obvious lack of giving much of shite is keeping Howe in situ - if they were serious about their insane ‘no.1’ talk then he might be out the door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Pundit Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Just now, Deuce said: It’s clear that injuries have severely hamstrung us (no pun intended) this season. But what effect has our playing style had on the injury crisis? It’s not been a spate of freak leg breaks. From memory, we had a similar issue the season we played in the Champions League last time, though several players were also 2 years younger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Imagine replacing Howe with Jose ffs Fair enough if it was Alonso or someone top tier, but Mourinho... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 whenever we’ve gone on a run in the past it’s coincided with a striker averaging a goal a game. I really can’t stress enough that it obviously will not happen with our current two . You can say adapt the system, but how? We play every 3/4 days and don’t get any time. Both strikers were brought in with no pre-season. It’s an impossible situation thanks to how appalling the summer was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: It will be Jose, and you know what I'm all for the ride for 2 years before it blows up 🤣 It's written in the stars that he manages here, may as well get it out of the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weznufc Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 5 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Is he better than Howe? His preferred system is the high press, often leading to Bournemouth becoming fatigued. He also no experience of managing two games a week. That's ok cus we won't have them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said: The squad is quite strong when all are fit, but the injuries have/are killing us. And, unlike Man City for instance we can't address those injuries in the transfer market, not just because of transfer fees, the wages are a wall to us too. You know all that though, just say you want Howe out. It's a fair position to have if you do. I wouldn't agree, but it's opinions. I was replying to a post where you talked about how much difference 2 more games makes. We could have offset some of that difference by rotating more in the cup. Even if we went out, were we really going to beat the top teams in the semis and final after our december and january schedule, with those 2 extra games in the CL that you yourself talked about? Edited February 7 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 We need to hit reset on the entire thing, pains me to say/think. I feel sick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 4 minutes ago, Cf said: This is such a boring point to have to repeatedly make but I'll say it again: Put Howe in charge of Arsenal and you'll find he can manage all the extra games perfectly well. Put Arteta in charge of us and you'll find he can't. It's not hard. No offence, but based on what? Howe has had gimme games over the course of multiple seasons with a fit squad and an uncongested fixture list, and he's never deviated far from outworking the opposition. Even this year in the CL against dross, when we were less injured/fatigued, how did we win? It's just his style. I don't want him to go (*unless we win the managerial lottery) and he remains a fantastic ambassador for the club, but I just don't see what supports your statement that I've seen with my eyes. Just seems like wishcasting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Is he better than Howe? His preferred system is the high press, often leading to Bournemouth becoming fatigued. He also no experience of managing two games a week. I think he would be better than what we have seen this season. Considering the players they have lost this season, including 4 of their starting back 5, they still play quality football. I think he is destined for a top club, and if Howe can’t turn this around then there is no reason not to go for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, Weznufc said: That's ok cus we won't have them Might as well just stick with Howe then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 14 minutes ago, The Prophet said: We're ten points clear Aye, alright. I'm a div. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 This season reminds me of Eddie’s last season at Bournemouth. The players have been run into the ground, the game plans aren’t working anymore, so many injuries, signings have been shite and we can’t defend. It’s just all around really sad right now as I think he’s done here now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 5 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: It will be Jose, and you know what I'm all for the ride for 2 years before it blows up 🤣 It's written in the stars that he manages here, may as well get it out of the way Mourinho...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 I'm going to be open here, just changed my vote to time to go. I'd love it of he can turn the season around a little, and at least show signs of changing a few things ready for the summer. However he looks done in himself, I'm not sure of he has it in him to get the funk back and therefore for his sake as much as the club it's time to make a break at the end of the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, Menace said: Imagine replacing Howe with Jose ffs Fair enough if it was Alonso or someone top tier, but Mourinho... I know Mourinho’s old now but christ he’s won shit tons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Just now, Smal said: whenever we’ve gone on a run in the past it’s coincided with a striker averaging a goal a game. I really can’t stress enough that it obviously will not happen with our current two . You can say adapt the system, but how? We play every 3/4 days and don’t get any time. Both strikers were brought in with no pre-season. It’s an impossible situation thanks to how appalling the summer was. But that’s still thinking like we have no agency. Surely the management team knows that before signing players. If the system is rigid, surely you get your nephew to track players with a similar profile to Isak (even if they aren’t as good). Woltemade isn’t even close to being similar. Why the fuck would you sign a player knowing full well he can’t play in that system and then refuse to adapt to it? It’s borderline negligent. It would be like a long ball team replacing their massive centre forward with a midget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 21 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: What does a bust look like though? Because if it's finishing lower-mid-table then there's every chance that's where we're going to end up this season. If we're finishing 8th or above then yeah you have to say we'd need a top appointment to do better than that with the group we have, but we're 12th and that gap to 7th/8th is getting wider not tighter. With the amount spent and quality in the squad finishing lower than top 8 is a bust. Barring a cup win. The club is a different animal to pre-takeover. Infinitely for the better. The expectations are rightly higher. Probably better to ask what is non negotiable to retain that Eddie brings to the table in a new hire, as much as what is needed as a step up from Eddie to push us further forward. My biggest fear is losing the culture of community, harmony and professionalism off pitch that Eddie and his team have brought. We are all getting painfully aware of Eddie's short comings and where we can improve, and have to improve. Ultimately we dont want to become like many a PL club that is yo-yo-ing between multiple managers treading water. I honestly think if we stick with Eddie we wont be miles of that top 4-8 every year. I just don't believe we will push on higher. The club has said it wants to win the league by 2030. So if we switch it has to be for someone players/fans see as a step up but more importantly someone that gets the club and culture. Who is out there that ticks those boxes. In football sometimes its just right person right place, regardless of hype and reputation. I just think the heartbreak of Eddie going (even if we know its necessary) means we have to get someone that gets us and isnt jarring, or he wont get a chance here and its game of thrones like spurs and chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 In regard to hypothetical managerial wishes personally if we can’t get Tuchel I’d take a punt on either Hoeneß or Fabregas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Mixed feelings personally don’t want him to go but at same time excited at the prospect of someone new and a new way of playing. Still have hope he’ll turn it around and with no Europe next season it should be much better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Hopefully the owners have got to grips with our recruitment issues and restructured the team. The DoF needs to run the show, no unanimous votes and no family members getting involved (if Eddie’s nephew needs work he can go and scout in Belgium or something). If the owners haven’t taken action there (beyond just hiring another body in Wilson) then we’re fucked anyway. Eddie has tactical limitations, those limitations existed even when we were at our best. This one is completely up to him, he needs to coach the team to be less reliant on physically dominating teams. It’s not going to work anymore. I’m still on the fence, if I was owner I would talk to him about how he plans to approach things in the summer. If he expects to boss the transfers and has no issue with our style of play, then I’d probably end it in May. If he wants to make changes then I’d keep him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexred Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 If we got rid of Howe I'd want Tuchel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 The system Eddie plays is all about the full backs, and we have a good LB, and right an utter liability at RB, and Trippier is killing us. Aye we should have bought a RB, but we didn't if we believe what the club are saying about availability and value in the winter market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Best manager in my and most of our lives. Doesn’t mean he hasn’t reached his ceiling. Starting to think it might be the case, as sad as that may be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) I honestly think even the most foaming at the mouth Howe-outter would regret having ever wanted him out within a year - if that - of someone else coming in. Edited February 7 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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