Beren Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Ian is never beating the Pardew allegations ( Ian W) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Wonder if spurs would have him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki679 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 4 minutes ago, Beren said: Ian is never beating the Pardew allegations ( Ian W) 'Allegations' is pushing it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lotus said: Ian, lovey. You said the same thing about Pardew. You’re completely loyal and will defer to not criticise the manager whoever they are. When it’s someone as good as EH you’re even less likely (imo). What a ridiculous argument. Edited March 30 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, loki679 said: 'Allegations' is pushing it Same vibes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 He's a great manager as long as he isn't in Europe because his whole approach breaks down. He seems to focus spending time on the training pitch developing counter-tactics to nullify the opposition and he needs a fit and strong squad capable of executing those plans. In Europe the squad becomes depleted. He's rotated better this season that I thought he would to be fair. But he just doesn't have enough time to drill all the different approaches to dealing with different opponents in-between games. I think if he's here next season we'll be resurgent again and we'll be fine, probably a good cup run too. I'm more than happy to accept us becoming some sort of European yo-yo club that's spending the max on PSR if that's what our medium term future is - until PSR is levelled it's probably the best we can hope for and EH is probably the best manager at delivering that on a consistent basis. Having us in the top half of the table most seasons over a prolonged period of time will hopefully help us in many ways for the long term - investability, marketability, attractiveness to players etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Think people think that just playing badly means tactically poor. Literally every manager in the world goes through bad periods. Saying Howe is just a motivator when the guy has been round the world learning off other managers, transcribed years of notebooks to his own personal football database, prepared meticulously for every game etc is just wilfully stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Think people think that just playing badly means tactically poor. Literally every manager in the world goes through bad periods. Saying Howe is just a motivator when the guy has been round the world learning off other managers, transcribed years of notebooks to his own personal football database, prepared meticulously for every game etc is just wilfully stupid. I don't think they are, and I don't think Howe is tactically poor either btw. A lot of the issues cited are longer-term such as the flat midfield three that swings open like a shithouse door in a gale for teams to run through us at will, the over-reliance on the press rather than being able to control certain games with the ball, and the inability to break down teams that sit deep with a tendency to just rely on slinging crosses in constantly when we're chasing a game. File some of those under "style" rather than "tactics" maybe. For balance we've also seen loads of good tactical/style stuff from Howe, far too much to list off in fact, many of which are the aforementioned things working to great effect in the past, I just think the gripes people have are a small bunch of the same consistent longer-term things or a lack of overall evolution in our gameplay when things start to look a bit stale or samey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 2 hours ago, Lotus said: How you could’ve watched countless teams play through us, and not just this season either and decide that when it comes to tactics and strategy, we absolutely can’t be improved upon…I mean, you’ve made your mind up regardless of what happens on the pitch. And when was the last time he had a week to prepare for a game with his squad? (excluding international breaks). Any tactical changes mid season due to our schedule has been band aids rather than surgical fixes, and thats without going into the injury disruption throughout to key players. Truth is, pre season was a fucking shambles due to Isak situation, we started the season with no strikers and no idea what type of striker we were going to build tactics round. We've then been in a relentless fixture list which hasnt given any opportunity to significantly fix it. There is blame for Howe but im almost certain he knows the issues but hasnt the opportunity or the players to do anything about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 If we want to be a top team we need a better manager that can deal with the game overload. Eddie is a good manager but I believe he is a top ten manager only and can't adapt to the extra games europe brings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) 1 minute ago, andycap said: If we want to be a top team we need a better manager that can deal with the game overload. Eddie is a good manager but I believe he is a top ten manager only and can't adapt to the extra games europe brings. I don't know how we can know that though, unless he is given a squad that is good enough to reliably do it. Then if he fails, fair enough. I just don't think we have the players to expect the manager to boss 2 or 3 hard games in a week. Edited March 30 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 minute ago, andycap said: If we want to be a top team we need a better manager that can deal with the game overload. Eddie is a good manager but I believe he is a top ten manager only and can't adapt to the extra games europe brings. Honestly when the team is fit and on mission and we have both a plan and the personnel to enact that plan there aren't many managers I trust more than Eddie. We're just in a weird fucking place where the thing that works best absolutely fucks our fitness over 50 games and we fill the mattress with piss in the transfer window. Also on top of that we're chained to the floor by rules and regulations. Eddie can and will (I hope) grow tactically. I hope it's here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I don't know how we can know that though, unless he is given a squad that is good enough to reliably do it. Then if he fails, fair enough. I just don't think we have the players to expect the manager to boss 2 or 3 hard games in a week. He needs training ground time for his methods to work which isn't a great fit for a team fighting on all fronts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Just now, andycap said: He needs training ground time for his methods to work which isn't a great fit for a team fighting on all fronts. Parachute Guardiola or Arteta (the only 2 teams in the league firing in all competitions, and even then their PL form isn't what we've seen from similar levels in the past) and you think we're in a materially different spot than we are now? It's the squad. Howe can get this team to beat anyone on a good day but it's not a challenging for the league/CL level squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, andycap said: If we want to be a top team we need a better manager that can deal with the game overload. Eddie is a good manager but I believe he is a top ten manager only and can't adapt to the extra games europe brings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 3 hours ago, andycap said: If we want to be a top team we need a better manager that can deal with the game overload. Eddie is a good manager but I believe he is a top ten manager only and can't adapt to the extra games europe brings. Out of interest, why don't you think he can adapt? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 9 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Out of interest, why don't you think he can adapt? Because some people would rather just have a single figure to blame for all of life's problems than to try and understand that there is a myriad of different and complex reasons that could be responsible for our under performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 There's clearly loads of factors at play as to why a team may or may be performing to a certain standard but the perfomance of the team is ultimately down to the manager and he is the single most important figure in regards to how the team play, whether that's his chosen formation, team selection, tactics, squad management, style of play, shape/organisation or whatever. Anyone in any doubt about this go and speak to a Gateshead fan and ask them to talk you through their season pre and post Rob Elliot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Some equivocal comments from Hopkinson on Howe it seems Quote Newcastle United chief executive David Hopkinson says he does not have a stance on the future of head coach Eddie Howe, but the club are "not looking to make a change at the moment". Although Newcastle reached the last 16 of the Champions League, and progressed to the semi-finals of the Carabao Cup for a third time in four seasons, this has been a bruising campaign for Howe's side. After initially holding their own against Barcelona, Newcastle capitulated at the Nou Camp this month - suffering a 7-2 defeat - before losing 2-1 against bitter rivals Sunderland a few days later. Howe and his players were booed off by a section of supporters at St James' Park following the damaging Tyne-Wear derby loss, which has left Newcastle 12th in the Premier League. But the hierarchy remains behind Howe, who led Newcastle to Champions League qualification in 2023 and 2025, and ended the club's seven-decade wait to win a major domestic trophy by lifting the EFL Cup last season. While his backing was hardly unequivocal, this week Hopkinson stressed Newcastle were currently "not having those conversations" about a change of manager. "I don't have a stance on his future," he said. "What I can tell you is that the derby loss hurt. "We take it seriously. There's nothing within us that thinks, 'Well, it's just three points and on we go'. It has resonated. "I spent a couple of hours in a one-on-one lunch recently with Eddie and we talked through a multitude of things, including that. "Eddie is our manager. I expect to have a great run to the end of the season here and we will talk about the future when it's time. "Right now, we're focused on this season's competition." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Just now, Barnes23 said: Some equivocal comments from Hopkinson on Howe it seems Fucking hell big yikes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Basically qualify for Europe or you're gone, which is what I've been saying is their thoughts all season long. He's on borrowed time with them, and fighting for his position. This is about as clear as a warning shot you'll get, and it's very fair. He's been terrible this season, regardless of how much you love him, it's been a car crash and the majority of that will always lie at the managers feet whether anyone likes it or not. Let's see what he can do. Should have all his players back now. He needs to get wolt or Wissa firing. Gordon upfront can't continue as it shows we've wasted the isak money and that's not a good look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 2 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Fucking hell big yikes. Aye, my reaction too. For that to be said publicly does suggest he is under serious scrutiny and doesn't bode well at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Just now, Barnes23 said: Aye, my reaction too. For that to be said publicly does suggest he is under serious scrutiny and doesn't bode well at all. It's a mental thing to say imo and I'm skeptical. Totally brain dead and just invites speculation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejeck Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 7 minutes ago, Barnes23 said: Some equivocal comments from Hopkinson on Howe it seems Pretty fucking brutal that, where is that from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1881 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) Terrible, idiotic thing to say. We need things calmed down not ramped up, the end of the season was already going to be a shit storm with all the player speculation and now we will have this as well. Plus disrespectful and risking losing a great manager. Ultimate own goal. Edited March 31 by 1881 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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