Eddie Howe

[Robster]

26 minutes ago, La Parka said:

I think the issue is - his system is completely failing. If he won't change why will we expect things to improve?

We haven't had the time on the training pitch to implement a new system.

You can't just pick a formation, click your fingers and make it work. It takes weeks of training and coaching to develop it well.

[Jesse Pinkman]

Harry Kane doesn’t get in this team under Howe as he’s not fast enough. 

 

 

Edited April 26 by Jesse Pinkman

[The Prophet]

Just now, Jesse Pinkman said:

For me Harry Kane doesn’t get in this team under Howe as he’s not fast enough. 

 

 

You're trying too hard my friend.

[Kid Icarus]

Some of the takes during this period will go down in history like.

[Heron]

5 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

There were people calling out what they were seeing in November but were met with comments such as ‘Wissa is back soon’ or ‘we’ll figure it out’ or ‘that pesky Isak’s fault’ 
 

We’re 4 games removed from season ending (thank God) having lost as many games in a season than Bruce ever did, and I’m still seeing the same things in defence of Howe. It’s unbelievable.

 

I would say I’m on the fence, but the fence is now tilting quite heavily towards ‘out’. Call it 65/35, but I don’t think I could ever outright say ‘Get him sacked’ because of what he’s given me, and the comment from someone saying ‘fuck off asap’ or whatever last night was a tad much… BUT I see far more aggressive comments from the other side tbh. Certainly a lot more condescending.

 

I said the other day it’s a forum on the internet. It’s really not worth getting yourself too riled about somebody else’s opinion because it’s different to yours. 

People wouldn't be defending Howe if there wasn't sufficient reason to do so. I'm not sure I've seen anyone being condescending or aggressive to other posters in particular other than a stupid exchange of words about the "chatting up lasses" analogy last night which was six on one and half a dozen on the other. That's been the extent of it (which wasn't much).

[Andy84]

4 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Harry Kane doesn’t get in this team under Howe as he’s not fast enough. 

 

 

 

[nufc4eva]

2 minutes ago, Robster said:

We haven't had the time on the training pitch to implement a new system.

You can't just pick a formation, click your fingers and make it work. It takes weeks of training and coaching to develop it well.

It's not just that he hasn't been able to find solutions all season to problems, it's been horrific and most fans can predict from first few mins every game how it's going to go and opposition know that. His solution is swap a winger for an even shitter one, keep strikers on bench for a winger up top, take one of your most technical players out and put Dan Burn at left back again, play flat 3 midfield and continuously hope it just works, watch the momentum drain from the game and keep delaying subs while looking fucking puzzled on the touchline, play a really high line and come unstuck time and time again. It's been total shit all season and it's getting worse, even yesterday our goal threat is atrocious although we played better defensively. We tend to play forward with very static/limited movement keeping shape over fluid moments and end up losing the ball, also none of our players seem to be able to cross, pass or take set pieces anymore 

[TK-421]

[Heron]

4 minutes ago, nufc4eva said:

It's not just that he hasn't been able to find solutions all season to problems, it's been horrific and most fans can predict from first few mins every game how it's going to go and opposition know that. His solution is swap a winger for an even shitter one, keep strikers on bench for a winger up top, take one of your most technical players out and put Dan Burn at left back again, play flat 3 midfield and continuously hope it just works, watch the momentum drain from the game and keep delaying subs while looking fucking puzzled on the touchline, play a really high line and come unstuck time and time again. It's been total shit all season and it's getting worse, even yesterday our goal threat is atrocious although we played better defensively. We tend to play forward with very static/limited movement keeping shape over fluid moments and end up losing the ball, also none of our players seem to be able to cross, pass or take set pieces anymore 

He seemed to get it right for the most part yesterday mind. Even Burn at LB by and large worked. Osula should score in the first minute, we had more possession and we created more chances than them.

 

The point about the wingers: he changes the wingers quite regularly, as you even allude to - so how can he always change a winger for a shitter one as by proxy you must think certain wingers are better than others and said wingers must occasionally start.

 

I do however agree about the flat 3 in midfield and not playing strikers.

 

 

Edited April 26 by Heron

[Chicken Dancer]

5 minutes ago, Heron said:

People wouldn't be defending Howe if there wasn't sufficient reason to do so. I'm not sure I've seen anyone being condescending or aggressive to other posters in particular other than a stupid exchange of words about the "chatting up lasses" analogy last night which was six on one and half a dozen on the other. That's been the extent of it (which wasn't much).

No I do agree. The bloke is a legend and gave us all our best day following Newcastle.

 

But lots of the evidence shows that we aren’t a good side and haven’t been all season, and people are questioning whether he’s the man to lead us forward. I think given the choice, 99.9999% of NUFC fans would much rather it was Howe to lead us forward, but people’s belief in him has wavered based on the evidence this season. 
 

Just because someone has a different opinion to someone else doesn’t make them wrong and you right, whichever way you look at it. 

 

I’ve found most arguments for both sides to be well considered and articulated well - plenty evidence and facts from both parties. Folk will form

their own opinions whether we like it or not, and whether they take on board some of the points that were raised by others is up to them. 
 

Name calling and telling people to fuck off and the like is when it starts to get silly. 

[Keegans Export]

12 minutes ago, Robster said:

We haven't had the time on the training pitch to implement a new system.

You can't just pick a formation, click your fingers and make it work. It takes weeks of training and coaching to develop it well.

We've definitely had ample opportunity to train alternatives. 

 

The XI that started yesterday - nine of them were here last season when we had plenty of time to train. The fact that we seemingly didn't develop any alternatives seems a bit neglectful now we're apparently short on training time.

[Heron]

1 minute ago, Keegans Export said:

We've definitely had ample opportunity to train alternatives. 

 

The XI that started yesterday - nine of them were here last season when we had plenty of time to train. The fact that we seemingly didn't develop any alternatives seems a bit neglectful now we're apparently short on training time.

But our style or play wasn't expected to be as impacted as losing our superstar striker then and all across the summer after chasing multiple candidates to replace said individual and for whatever reason...failing.

 

I do agree a plan B should have been being unearthed either way, albeit maybe not ready for Plan A implementation, however.

[HawK]

So a new manager comes in and goes 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 without any training time and gets results, happens all the time, Carrick at Man Utd most recently.

 

It's not rocket science to go to those formations. Howe's just doubling down on the only way he wants to play.

[Mattoon]

4 minutes ago, nufc4eva said:

It's not just that he hasn't been able to find solutions all season to problems, it's been horrific and most fans can predict from first few mins every game how it's going to go and opposition know that. His solution is swap a winger for an even shitter one, keep strikers on bench for a winger up top, take one of your most technical players out and put Dan Burn at left back again, play flat 3 midfield and continuously hope it just works, watch the momentum drain from the game and keep delaying subs while looking fucking puzzled on the touchline, play a really high line and come unstuck time and time again. It's been total shit all season and it's getting worse, even yesterday our goal threat is atrocious although we played better defensively. We tend to play forward with very static/limited movement keeping shape over fluid moments and end up losing the ball, also none of our players seem to be able to cross, pass or take set pieces anymore 

 

Its stuff like the bit in bold I find hyperbolic, Burn was brought into the side to combat a team that relies predominantly on set plays, taking out the smallest defender. The only thing I might have done differently is play Hall in place of Ramsey.

[UncleBingo]

3 hours ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Rattled to fuck, you should drink a bit less ya puggled old pisscan, far too easily triggered man.

🤣

 

Still yapping, I see.

[Dokko]

28 minutes ago, TK-421 said:

 

Feel like at this stage we're going to need our own bathroom.

[Heron]

16 minutes ago, HawK said:

So a new manager comes in and goes 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 without any training time and gets results, happens all the time, Carrick at Man Utd most recently.

 

It's not rocket science to go to those formations. Howe's just doubling down on the only way he wants to play.

Man United were out of both cups and having weeks or fortnights from one game to the next. We've only been afforded that since going out to Barca and after a hefty fixture schedule for the season to date.

[Collage]

37 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Some of the takes during this period will go down in history like.

Yeah, I can fully understand being on the fence or feeling the need for a change but the disrespect shown by some towards a manager who's been absolutely magnificent for us and who a year ago won the club the first trophy in 56 years is embarassing.

 

 

Edited April 26 by Collage

[Pilko]

He's had five weeks of training time for Palace, Bournemouth and Arsenal. Some of the players weren't around for some of that due to internationals.

 

I'd like to think in that time you could start to see a hint or the green shoots of any new ideas or innovations on the pitch, even if the results weren't following. But there aren't any, it's just the same rinse and repeat. Without having attended the training ground you can be confident that time has been spent practicing the same tired press-til-you-drop stuff rather than trying to introduce any new elements to our attacking play.

[Mikky]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

I'm not having a go at Howe for yesterday like. Thought we did ok even if it was against a very under par Arsenal team. I just don't think he's the man to lead us into next season based on what I've watched week in, week out this season.

 

Realistically we aren't going to be able to bring in 8 or 9 players and ship out the same amount. It's likely to be 3 or 4 maximum and probably sell to buy as well so I expect more of the same to come.

 

It's also becoming increasingly obvious that Howe only really has one way of playing. Either that or he's the most stubborn manager out there. Problem is that even last season the signs were that that other coached had worked out how to play against him. Coaches of smaller clubs with far less resources could come to SJP and do a number on us. It's happened on a far greater scale this season and we find ourselves where we are around the bottom echelons of the table. It's a league that evolves quickly. Coaches change, systems change, ways of playing change.

 

We just seem to keep doing the same thing week after week and because of that we are getting left behind.

Ramsdale - Trippier - Tino - Schar - (Targett) - Willock - J Murphy  - Gordon - 1 FWD - all these positions need replacing 

 

6 Starters - GK - RB - CB - RW - LW - CF (even CM)

3/4,signs isn’t cutting it imo - the club needs to recognise its ballsed up last 5 windows - if it has objectives to meet for 2030 - then it needs to roll its sleeves up because we have a lot of catching up to do and a manager who is completely lost with this squad of players 

 

[Chicken Dancer]

This isn’t a passive aggressive question but a genuine one; at what point is Isak not going to be the reason we’re shit now?  Next season?

[dcmk]

Just now, Chicken Dancer said:

This isn’t a passive aggressive question but a genuine one; at what point is Isak not going to be the reason we’re shit now?  Next season?

I would say after this summer window.

[Mikky]

54 minutes ago, Robster said:

We haven't had the time on the training pitch to implement a new system.

You can't just pick a formation, click your fingers and make it work. It takes weeks of training and coaching to develop it well.

He’s had 4 weeks - that’s practically a pre season - when do we start seeing results?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, Mikky said:

Ramsdale - Trippier - Tino - Schar - (Targett) - Willock - J Murphy  - Gordon - 1 FWD - all these positions need replacing 

 

6 Starters - GK - RB - CB - RW - LW - CF (even CM)

3/4,signs isn’t cutting it imo - the club needs to recognise its ballsed up last 5 windows - if it has objectives to meet for 2030 - then it needs to roll its sleeves up because we have a lot of catching up to do and a manager who is completely lost with this squad of players 

 

I can’t see us signing a whole new front 3. Although will be interesting if Gordon goes for sure. 
 

Arguably we don’t need a starting CB either. 
 

Think the guaranteed starters we need are RB and GK, then it depends on what happens with outgoings etc. 

 

We might need to be realistic about the number of players a club can really turn over in one window. Especially given we’d be replacing him big money signings from last year. 

[St1pe]

I’m at the point where I don’t think any manager would get a major upturn with the player base we have. 
 

The decline of players like Pope, Murphy, Tonali, Botman, Livramento, Joelinton, Gordon, Barnes has been really quite staggering. Add in completely failed transfers like Elanga and Wissa. Woltemade has struggled to work on Howe’s preferred play style. 
 

If you look at players who we can say have had decent seasons you’re looking at Bruno, maybe Hall. Miley and Ramsay get mentioned but they’ve basically been a 7/10 and looked good in comparison to how diabolical the rest have been. 
 

Not trying to trigger the Howe out lot (for once) as I think he’s also been shit this year. But we really need a massive massive clear out and restructure.